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micky 
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 Posted: December 09 2007 at 11:46 |
 The Wizard wrote:
micky wrote:
Michael... it's the thought process of
the list..... it is quite obvious some thought went into that
epic list... as opposed to that guitarist list...
any
list.... sh*t... anyone who knows a damn thing about music... that
would have White and Cobain in the top 20.... and guitarist like Randy
Rhodes and yes... EDDIE VAN HALEN ... 70 and up...
is simply a sh*t list.... and reinforced the notion that RS is about pushing trends.. and hot names...
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White and Cobain were guitarist that set trends and changed the
enviorment of the music industry. Eddie Van Halen, though, i'm not a
fan, does deserve to be up their since he did that as much as White and
Cobain. And I don't see anything special about Randy Rhodes. |
 
anyhow.... White may have possible impact with his guitar
style and 'playing' .. but Cobain?... it was the music.. the
attitude.. the larger sh*tfts in musical tastes that his group was but
a part of.. .but it was not his guitar playing.... as I said...
he is there.. for his name. Not as a guitar player
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 11:56 |
micky wrote:
Bel Air is a fabulous piece of music... maybe not a 'out there'
as you might want... but it has a beauty that something to behold...
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I agree. I'm happy they chose a Can track, I just like the other tracks I mentioned slightly more.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:01 |
And your probably right. Kurt Cobain really wasn't really an original guitarist, J Mascis and King Buzzo, his big influences that did much more to create an original sound should be on that list instead of Cobain who kinda just copied their styles.
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:04 |
A B Negative wrote:
micky wrote:
Bel Air is a fabulous piece of music... maybe not a 'out there'
as you might want... but it has a beauty that something to behold...
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I agree. I'm happy they chose a Can track, I just like the other tracks I mentioned slightly more.
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same here... even those twits at RS have to recognize what a massively
influential group Can is.. and have a spot for them on the
list. Sure they had to touch upon all kinds of musical
angles..but it was nice to see Can in there.
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:32 |
The Wizard wrote:
And your probably right. Kurt Cobain really wasn't really an original guitarist, J Mascis and King Buzzo, his big influences that did much more to create an original sound should be on that list instead of Cobain who kinda just copied their styles. |
I'm not a Melvins fan so I can't comment on the Buzzo comparison but I don't hear any of J Mascis in Cobain's guitar playing. Anyway, Cobain was a huge influence on my guitar playing (less is very often more), as was Mascis (more is often more too!).
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:49 |
The Wizard wrote:
micky wrote:
Michael... it's the thought process of the list..... it is quite obvious some thought went into that epic list... as opposed to that guitarist list...
any list.... sh*t... anyone who knows a damn thing about music... that would have White and Cobain in the top 20.... and guitarist like Randy Rhodes and yes... EDDIE VAN HALEN ... 70 and up...
is simply a sh*t list.... and reinforced the notion that RS is about pushing trends.. and hot names...
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White and Cobain were guitarist that set trends and changed the enviorment of the music industry. Eddie Van Halen, though, i'm not a fan, does deserve to be up their since he did that as much as White and Cobain. And I don't see anything special about Randy Rhodes. |
Well, he was IMO the first guitarist to actually do something with pinch harmonics, and I also think he had a much better taste at using the tapping tecnique in heavy metal songs than Van Halen, who seemed to make a circus show off of it.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 12:58 |
The Wizard wrote:
micky wrote:
this is what I expect from RS.. .that list was a VAST improvement over crap like this hahahhahah
The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time
The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time
Posted Aug 27, 2003 12:00 AM
1Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG's
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Queen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 Dickey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden
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I don't whats terrible about that list. There are plenty of lesser known, progressive guitar on that list. Sure there are a lot of lame ones but you have to realize that Rolling Stone's audience is all music fans in general and they have to satisfy everyone. That's why it's pointless to complain about them. |
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:05 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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Maybe Johnny Ramone was more influential than Zappa.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Dim
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:14 |
Evandro Martini wrote:
nuncjusz wrote:
Are there some 20+ minute songs on the list? |
Don't think so...
If anyone didn't see, the list is this:
Allman Brothers Band - "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"
Bauhaus - "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Beastie Boys - "B-Boy Bouillabaisse"
Beatles - "Hey Jude"
Black Sabbath - "War Pigs/Luke's Wall"
Blur - "Tender"
Can - "Bel Air"
The Cure - "Pictures of You"
David Bowie - "Station to Station"
Derek & the Dominoes - "Layla"
The Doors - "The End"
Bob Dylan - "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands"
Funkadelic - "Maggot Brain"
Grandmaster Flash - "The Message"
Green Day - "Jesus of Suburbia"
Guns N' Roses - "Estranged"
George Harrison - "Isn't It a Pity?"
Iron Butterfly - "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"
Jane's Addiction - "Three Days"
Billy Joel - "Scenes From an Italian Restaurant"
Elton John - "Funeral for a Friend"
King Crimson - "In the Court of the Crimson King"
LCD Soundsystem - "All My Friends"
Led Zeppelin - "When the Levee Breaks"
Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Free Bird"
Kraftwerk - "Autobahn"
Metallica - "One"
Mother Love Bone - "Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns"
Neutral Milk Hotel - "Oh, Comely"
New Order - "Blue Monday"
Nine Inch Nails - "We're In This Together"
Oasis - "Champagne Supernova"
Pink Floyd - "Sheep"
Prince - "Purple Rain"
Rolling Stones - "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'"
Sigur Ros - "Svefn-g-englar"
Sonic Youth - "The Sprawl"
Bruce Springsteen - "Jungleland"
Stone Roses - "I Am the Resurrection"
Suicide - "Frankie Teardrop"
Television - "Marquee Moon"
Justin Timberlake - "What Goes Around Comes Around"
Velvet Underground - "Heroin"
Weezer - "Only In Dreams"
White Stripes - "Ball & Biscuit"
The Who - "Won't Get Fooled Again"
Wilco - "Spiders (Kidsmoke)"
Yes - "Starship Trooper"
Neil Young - "Cortez the Killer"
Frank Zappa - "Willie the Pimp"
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Disgusting.
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Leningrad
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:18 |
nuncjusz wrote:
Are there some 20+ minute songs on the list? |
It depends on which version of Autobahn that is.
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Snipergoat
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:20 |
A B Negative wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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Maybe Johnny Ramone was more influential than Zappa.
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I doubt it and anyway.. so what? The list is The Greatest Guitarists of all time, not the most influential. It sickens me to see Cobain near the top. What a joke.
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Dim
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:24 |
Snipergoat wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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Maybe Johnny Ramone was more influential than Zappa.
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I doubt it and anyway.. so what?
The list is The Greatest Guitarists of all time, not the most influential.
It sickens me to see Cobain near the top. What a joke.
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Agreed, you cant make a list that says greatest guitarists of all time then put Jack white in front of Steve Howe.
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:24 |
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:24 |
Snipergoat wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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Maybe Johnny Ramone was more influential than Zappa.
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I doubt it and anyway.. so what?
The list is The Greatest Guitarists of all time, not the most influential.
It sickens me to see Cobain near the top. What a joke.
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How do you measure greatness? Most albums sold? Most influential? Most notes per second? Most hummable? I really like Zappa but I prefer Nirvana and The Ramones. The real sickener is that Gregg Ginn is only at 99! 
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ClassicRocker
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:45 |
darkshade wrote:
wait, WHY Willie The Pimp??? |
Not a bad song at all... but how about the Adventures Of Greggary Peccary instead
A B Negative wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
What's terrible about the list is Zappa is below Johnny f**king Power Chord Ramone
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Maybe Johnny Ramone was more influential than Zappa.
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That's definitely the most depressing thing I've read all day.
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:48 |
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:51 |
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does influencing simplicity and making the instrument virtually unimportant in the context of the song count as GREAT?
if so put Mr. Ramone at number 1
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micky
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:55 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
does influencing simplicity and making the
instrument virtually unimportant in the context of the song count as
GREAT?
if so put Mr. Ramone at number 1
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yin and yang brother.... look at this way.... does
influencing all kinds of technical magic and making it SO important
make it any greater..... lose the prog fan mentality and recognize that
it is the CHANGES in prevailing wisdom with regards to guitar
playing... that makes the player great...
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Dim
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:55 |
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The only reason Randy Rhodes is fabled more than the typical hair metal shredder, is because he played with Ozzy.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:59 |
micky wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
does influencing simplicity and making the
instrument virtually unimportant in the context of the song count as
GREAT?
if so put Mr. Ramone at number 1
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yin and yang brother.... look at this way.... does
influencing all kinds of technical magic and making it SO important
make it any greater..... lose the prog fan mentality and recognize that
it is the CHANGES in prevailing wisdom with regards to guitar
playing... that makes the player great...
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I see where you're coming from, but I don't think Johnny Ramone himself would've even thought himself a great guitarist. Punk really doesn't feature guitar for any other purposes than to maintain the simple key.....and I understand what you mean about technicality, which is why I absolutely despise Mr. Malmsteen.....I don't hate Johnny Ramone (his music's another story) but I just don't think he was a great guitarist. At all. It's a blatant example of RS trying to please people. What makes him any better or worse than the guitarist from The Sex Pistols or the Clash?
Edited by heyitsthatguy - December 09 2007 at 14:01
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