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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 17:03 | |||
But I can be even more provocative than that:
What do DT need?
To smile occasionally? (Guys, you're not really gloomy teen-aged dropouts with no hope for the future -- you're really very successful, hugely popular, highly talented and fabulously RICH middle-aged men, with a lot of reasons to be happy. That pic of one of your wives reveals at least two such uplifting reasons to be cheerful!)
A collective enema?
Souls?
Seriously though, given their huge success, they're obviously quite good at what they do, so they should (basically) keep doing just that.
If they changed their sound too radically, to suit the odd cranky (but sentimental and oh-so-sensitive) curmudgeon like me, they'd risk alienating their slavering core audience of alienated, angry, gloomy teen-aged boys (and older perpetual adolescents). So although they are rich, famous, grownup and likely even get laid regularly, they need to keep conveying adolescent angst, hopelessness, lonely alienation and dysfunction, and nascent self loathing turned outward at "the man," parents, teachers, flowers, puppies and all that might just bring a smile, or lend even an iota of hope.
Manager to band: "How about we look at our latest bank statements after this photo op, guys? Okay, everybody frown now -- look like you want to kill the photographer. Remember, getting ludicrously rich and receiving mass adulation for doing what you like to do is nothing to smile about. Say CHEEEEESE!"
Was that provocative enough for you?
Seriously , DT are good at what they do (playing really fast, selling enormous numbers of albums, and raking in the cash cash cash), and to be fair, rock and roll has always seen cynical grown men profiting enormously from teen male hormonal imbalances by pretending to be (or identify with) morose adolescents. See Gene Simmons -- such an unhappy, maladjusted man....
So (other than perhaps stopping helping make everyone think metal is now somehow prog) DT don't need to do anything differently.
Really seriously: Logan's excellent post pretty much expresses my true feelings, but I'd extend it to (most) metal acts in general: stop pretending to take it all so seriously. It's just music, and rock is supposed to be fun above all (isn't it?). There are other human emotions to draw upon, besides alienation, hopelessness and rage. Show a sense of humour. (eg Van Halen, Spinal Tap, Twisted Sister, ELP, Genesis) Mix it up a bit, musically, lyrically and emotionally. Show some vulnerabiliy and sensitivity -- expose the young fans to some glimpses of simple, uplifting beauty via melody, acknowledge the healing, tranformative powers of love. Give the young men in the audience some reason for hope, at least every now and then.
(If Dream Theater already do all that, then great -- they have my deeper respect!)
Rock on, headbangers! Edited by Peter - November 29 2007 at 17:22 |
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coleio
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 15:01 | |||
Personally I don't think Dream Theater need anything.
I was listening to Systematic Chaos today for the umpteenth time, and realised that the last track especially was amazing, the first time i've had shivers down my spine about a piece of music in quite a while. And the album as a whole is very good. People just seem to dislike them on this site, purely for the fact they're popular and play too many solo's, too fast. I think the amount of soloing is fine, okay LaBries voice may not be fantastic but it goes well, and as for criticising them for being all too fast and not enough emotion, I've heard far more bands that are guilty of that than Dream Theater, I think Dream Theater have a lot of emotion in their music, if they're so un-emotional, compare them with Behold...the Arctopus or something, I don't see them being criticised. Jesus, bloody old symphonic prog fans eh? Who'd 'ave 'em? |
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docsolar
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 14:29 | |||
Are you kidding?! Disc two is way better! Disc one is sucky, droning metal!
6DoIT is so worth the purchase, even if only for the second disc.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 12:36 | |||
YEah!
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sircosick
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 12:34 | |||
^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 03:37 | |||
I think they need to start writing Prog.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:06 | |||
I remember saying to somebody about 10 years "Dream Theater" are very talented but they are missing something after all this time I still haven't put my finger on what the problem is but I suspect its the opposite to what the moody blues are missing.
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Drew
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:33 | |||
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:32 | |||
Gotta agree with that one. Portnoy is an experienced former alcoholic, but the other guys could benefit from a few acid trips and a coke habit. Then comes the recovery and the finding Jesus, at which point they'll achieve true prog mastery.
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Drew
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:17 | |||
I think they need to start taking drugs.
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micky
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:01 | |||
we'll I think ... Portnoy not with standing.. you have excellent taste in men. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole myself. hahhahaha |
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Logan
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:53 | |||
The only thing Dream Theater really needs is your money, oh, and your undying, fanatical devotion.
And praise be to laBrie. If the other members choose to cut theCheese, may laBrie smite them with camembert. To answer part of the original question: To get into the top 15 here they might consider making a retro album that is heavily influenced by Yes, Genesis, and Pink FLoyd, since those are the fans to pander to to be top in PA. Of course I don't think that being top of the PA charts is a top priority for the band. As for success (and remember that some music artists are going strong after 30 plus years) with the general Prog crowd in particular... experiment, try new styles, surprise people. A big part of Prog as an attitude to making music is about experimentation, blending genres, and using song structures that deny expectation. It's about pushing the boundaries of Prog/Metal and taking it into new realms... in part. Unfortunately, some bands find a formula that works, and in their complacency become conventional. Don't know about Dream Theater first-hand (I don't know enough of the band's music), but I see comments saying that the band has stagnated. Progression or death.... If they were to completely change their style, then it wouldn't be Dream Theater anymore, and would alienate the fans (going that far it would be better to change the name of the project), but adding new twists and expanding their musical repertoire could help. Maybe bring in some new musicians (cellist, flautist, saxophonist, whatever) and new musical ideas. But I'm speaking generally, and from a Prog viewpoint as opposed to a mainstream rock/metal one. And who is to define success, be it commercial, critical, or artistic? Ultimately, I generally like artists to make the art they enjoy making; something that they can be proud of. I think being true to yourself is more important than being true to your fans. If the band members are happy with their creations and direction, and enjoy what they do, then I'm happy for them, but bowing to outside pressures can kill the art (though it might be deemed necessary to stay in the industry). For myself, if I were to hear it, I'd like for DT's next album to be rather lighthearted, quirky, zany, and very witty (with some biting social satire). Sometimes it's harder to take music seriously that seems to take itself seriously. |
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:45 | |||
As a gay prog fan, I feel I can judge the sexiness of prog musicians better than most people on this forum.
Portnoy has the whole "edgy New York jew with a heart of gold" thing going for him. The other guys are ugly though.
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micky
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:42 | |||
HAH!!!!!! what do you know |
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:39 | |||
Portnoy is sexy.
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micky
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:26 | |||
hahhaha.. yeah.... so am I.... curious to see who would find these guys attractive maybe one of our creative geniuses can put together a photo montage for us... the band and wives... hahahha... when we get tired of picking on them... we'll go for the wives... Edited by micky - November 28 2007 at 22:28 |
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ProgBagel
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:18 | |||
Got a picture of the other members wives? I'm curious.
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micky
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:03 | |||
ahem... http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16098&KW=God&PN=1 so I guess Jesus is what.. Pattrucci's son... and who is dear old mom... |
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Shakespeare
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 21:53 | |||
Have you found Jesus, I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him. |
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Progger
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 21:49 | |||
Nah! Hackett didn't contribute enough to Genesis.He only played on about 10% of each Genesis album.
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