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micky 
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 Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:01 |
 Harry Hood wrote:
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Portnoy is sexy. |
HAH!!!!!! what do you know  
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As a gay prog fan, I feel I can judge the sexiness of prog musicians better than most people on this forum.
Portnoy has the whole "edgy New York jew with a heart of gold" thing going for him. The other guys are ugly though. |
we'll I think ... Portnoy not with standing.. you have excellent taste
in men. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole myself.
hahhahaha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Drew
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:17 |
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I think they need to start taking drugs.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:32 |
Drew wrote:
I think they need to start taking drugs. |
Gotta agree with that one. Portnoy is an experienced former alcoholic, but the other guys could benefit from a few acid trips and a coke habit. Then comes the recovery and the finding Jesus, at which point they'll achieve true prog mastery.
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Drew
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Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:33 |
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Yorkie X
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 01:06 |
I remember saying to somebody about 10 years "Dream Theater" are very talented but they are missing something after all this time I still haven't put my finger on what the problem is but I suspect its the opposite to what the moody blues are missing. 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 03:37 |
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I think they need to start writing Prog.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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sircosick
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 12:34 |
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^ Pardon, sir....... but what thing they were doing then?
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The best you can is good enough...
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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 12:36 |
Harry Hood wrote:
Drew wrote:
I think they need to start taking drugs. |
Gotta agree with that one. Portnoy is an experienced former alcoholic, but the other guys could benefit from a few acid trips and a coke habit. Then comes the recovery and the finding Jesus, at which point they'll achieve true prog mastery. |
YEah!  
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docsolar
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 14:29 |
The T wrote:
darkmatter wrote:
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there's some things that can be fixed in some DT songs (or albums, like erase the complete 6DOIT-side ONE) but the band is what it is. |
Is it really that bad? I'm planning to buy 6DOIT (it's their only album I've never heard a note!). Will it be worth my $$? |
I think disc one is better than the second disc....
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You see what I said Barla? I;'m kind of alone in this one.... |
Are you kidding?! Disc two is way better! Disc one is sucky, droning metal!
6DoIT is so worth the purchase, even if only for the second disc.
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coleio
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 15:01 |
Personally I don't think Dream Theater need anything. I was listening to Systematic Chaos today for the umpteenth time, and realised that the last track especially was amazing, the first time i've had shivers down my spine about a piece of music in quite a while. And the album as a whole is very good. People just seem to dislike them on this site, purely for the fact they're popular and play too many solo's, too fast.  I think the amount of soloing is fine, okay LaBries voice may not be fantastic but it goes well, and as for criticising them for being all too fast and not enough emotion, I've heard far more bands that are guilty of that than Dream Theater, I think Dream Theater have a lot of emotion in their music, if they're so un-emotional, compare them with Behold...the Arctopus or something, I don't see them being criticised. Jesus, bloody old symphonic prog fans eh? Who'd 'ave 'em?
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 17:03 |
1800iareyay wrote:
What does DT need? Jesus.
Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting.
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But I can be even more provocative than that:
 What do DT need?
To smile occasionally? (Guys, you're not really gloomy teen-aged dropouts with no hope for the future -- you're really very successful, hugely popular, highly talented and fabulously RICH middle-aged men, with a lot of reasons to be happy. That pic of one of your wives reveals at least two such uplifting reasons to be cheerful!)
A collective enema?
Souls?
Seriously though, given their huge success, they're obviously quite good at what they do, so they should (basically) keep doing just that. 
 If they changed their sound too radically, to suit the odd cranky (but sentimental and oh-so-sensitive) curmudgeon like me, they'd risk alienating their slavering core audience of alienated, angry, gloomy teen-aged boys (and older perpetual adolescents). So although they are rich, famous, grownup and likely even get laid regularly, they need to keep conveying adolescent angst, hopelessness, lonely alienation and dysfunction, and nascent self loathing turned outward at "the man," parents, teachers, flowers, puppies and all that might just bring a smile, or lend even an iota of hope.
Manager to band: "How about we look at our latest bank statements after this photo op, guys? Okay, everybody frown now -- look like you want to kill the photographer. Remember, getting ludicrously rich and receiving mass adulation for doing what you like to do is nothing to smile about. Say CHEEEEESE!"
Was that provocative enough for you?
Seriously , DT are good at what they do (playing really fast, selling enormous numbers of albums, and raking in the cash cash cash), and to be fair, rock and roll has always seen cynical grown men profiting enormously from teen male hormonal imbalances by pretending to be (or identify with) morose adolescents. See Gene Simmons -- such an unhappy, maladjusted man....
So (other than perhaps stopping helping make everyone think metal is now somehow prog) DT don't need to do anything differently.
Really seriously: Logan's excellent post pretty much expresses my true feelings, but I'd extend it to (most) metal acts in general: stop pretending to take it all so seriously. It's just music, and rock is supposed to be fun above all (isn't it?). There are other human emotions to draw upon, besides alienation, hopelessness and rage. Show a sense of humour. (eg Van Halen, Spinal Tap, Twisted Sister, ELP, Genesis) Mix it up a bit, musically, lyrically and emotionally. Show some vulnerabiliy and sensitivity -- expose the young fans to some glimpses of simple, uplifting beauty via melody, acknowledge the healing, tranformative powers of love. Give the young men in the audience some reason for hope, at least every now and then.
(If Dream Theater already do all that, then great -- they have my deeper respect!)
Rock on, headbangers! 
Edited by Peter - November 29 2007 at 17:22
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 17:14 |
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They need to learn Kobaian and dedicate their bodies and souls to Christian Vander in the service of Kreuhn Kohrmann.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 17:21 |
And before anyone replies angrily to tell me he's not angry, and doesn't fit my ignorant, hurtful stereotypes, please bear in mind that (like Spinal Tap) 99%of my DT and metal spoofing is tongue-in-cheek.
Also, you should know that the biggest DT fan I know of (my dear brother in law) is even older than me, a really nice guy, short-haired and well groomed, well educated, successful, happily married, a great dad, and one of the funniest, most cheerful, sincere and intelligent guys I've ever had the good fortune to meet. He's also a fairly accomplished guitar player (and a very good guitar builder), and he really admires DT's sheer musicianship and mastery of their instruments. (I have to acknowledge and respect that.) 
But yeah, I still tease him about his unreasoning love of DT! 
Now let the PM death threats begin! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 17:31 |
Syzygy wrote:
They need to learn Kobaian and dedicate their bodies and souls to Christian Vander in the service of Kreuhn Kohrmann. |
^  You said it all so concisely! 
If I could learn to be so succinct, the fire would be long since lit, and a great supper would be on the table by now. Me and my rambling, winding, long-winded, circumlocutory, repetitive, redundant, cyclical, circuitous posts (it's like I don't know when to shut up)! Why, I remember a time wh
(freezing, starving offspring drag him away from the accursed computer)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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arcer
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 18:38 |
Peter wrote:
1800iareyay wrote:
What does DT need? Jesus.
Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting.
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But I can be even more provocative than that:
What do DT need?
To smile occasionally? (Guys, you're not really gloomy teen-aged dropouts with no hope for the future -- you're really very successful, hugely popular, highly talented and fabulously RICH middle-aged men, with a lot of reasons to be happy. That pic of one of your wives reveals at least two such uplifting reasons to be cheerful!)
A collective enema?
Souls?
Seriously though, given their huge success, they're obviously quite good at what they do, so they should (basically) keep doing just that.
If they changed their sound too radically, to suit the odd cranky (but sentimental and oh-so-sensitive) curmudgeon like me, they'd risk alienating their slavering core audience of alienated, angry, gloomy teen-aged boys (and older perpetual adolescents). So although they are rich, famous, grownup and likely even get laid regularly, they need to keep conveying adolescent angst, hopelessness, lonely alienation and dysfunction, and nascent self loathing turned outward at "the man," parents, teachers, flowers, puppies and all that might just bring a smile, or lend even an iota of hope.
Manager to band: "How about we look at our latest bank statements after this photo op, guys? Okay, everybody frown now -- look like you want to kill the photographer. Remember, getting ludicrously rich and receiving mass adulation for doing what you like to do is nothing to smile about. Say CHEEEEESE!"
Was that provocative enough for you?
Seriously , DT are good at what they do (playing really fast, selling enormous numbers of albums, and raking in the cash cash cash), and to be fair, rock and roll has always seen cynical grown men profiting enormously from teen male hormonal imbalances by pretending to be (or identify with) morose adolescents. See Gene Simmons -- such an unhappy, maladjusted man....
So (other than perhaps stopping helping make everyone think metal is now somehow prog) DT don't need to do anything differently.
Really seriously: Logan's excellent post pretty much expresses my true feelings, but I'd extend it to (most) metal acts in general: stop pretending to take it all so seriously. It's just music, and rock is supposed to be fun above all (isn't it?). There are other human emotions to draw upon, besides alienation, hopelessness and rage. Show a sense of humour. (eg Van Halen, Spinal Tap, Twisted Sister, ELP, Genesis) Mix it up a bit, musically, lyrically and emotionally. Show some vulnerabiliy and sensitivity -- expose the young fans to some glimpses of simple, uplifting beauty via melody, acknowledge the healing, tranformative powers of love. Give the young men in the audience some reason for hope, at least every now and then.
(If Dream Theater already do all that, then great -- they have my deeper respect!)
Rock on, headbangers! |
I dunno Peter, they look like a pretty cheery bunch to me. That dude on the left looks like he's about to burst out laughing at the beard of the guy second right any minute. God knows I am... Wait a minute, it is a beard there isn't it? He hasn't just stapled a trowel to his chin has he? Or maybe a small animal - possible a chinchilla. Geddit! A chin-chilla. BOOOM! BOOM! Oh well...
Edited by arcer - November 29 2007 at 18:40
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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 18:43 |
^ Nice to see you back around of late, Arser!
All's well for you on the ol' Emerald Isle, I hope?
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 18:44 |
Syzygy wrote:
They need to learn Kobaian and dedicate their bodies and souls to Christian Vander in the service of Kreuhn Kohrmann. |
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arcer
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 18:57 |
Peter wrote:
^ Nice to see you back around of late, Arser!
All's well for you on the ol' Emerald Isle, I hope? |
Thank you Peter, nice to drift back to the archive now and again, been picking up on a few new bands to annoy my wife with. All is well in the emerald isle I hope, but having been forced to move to grimy old London I'll have to guess at the state of things in the ould sod. Trust things are well with you?
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:43 |
Peter wrote:
A collective enema?
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LMAO!!!!!!
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:53 |
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Personally, they need more songs by Myung to be included. A very underrated songwriter, in my opinion.
I also think they need somebody who is good with melody. I get the feeling that Kevin Moore was key in those early DT albums.
Just my opinion.
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