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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 15:04
I think the T has stigmatized the glass prison to a point where he can't listen to anything on that disc LOL

its easily one of their most 'overtly' metal tracks and I used to love it, now I kind of just are "meh" towards it. Great intro, goes waaay too long with the solo section. The other songs aren't exactly DT's best but you'll find at least something to like in one of them (I personally really like/love them, The Great Debate is a song they always get sh*t for for some reason, at least from what I've seen, but it's my favorite on disc 1)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 15:10
Originally posted by oroboross oroboross wrote:

What DT needs is less idiot opinions.  Like them or hate them,  they will survive without you. And their true fans will continue to buy and enjoy their albums,  liking some better than others.
 
I viewed this as a fun little thread. That being said you are right about idiot opinions and also their survival. I read your comment as an opinion. Wink  And I am sincerely happy you are a true fan. I once was too. Ouch And that would be right after I&W was released. It wasn't until the last two years or so either my taste has matured or I saw the lack of growth by the band, or both. I find it as one of the great tragedies of Progressive music. Maybe I will listen to some DT now and weep. LOL 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:08
Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
there's some things that can be fixed in some DT songs (or albums, like erase the complete 6DOIT-side ONE) but the band is what it is.
 
Is it really that bad? I'm planning to buy 6DOIT (it's their only album I've never heard a note!). Will it be worth my $$?
I bought this when it first came out, in the UK it cost £28 (or the equivalent of $56!!!!!) - which for 96 minutes of music isn't that bad (I guess Confused), but for 42 minutes that I like and 54 that I don't, I couldn't call it value for money. Ouch
 
Luckily for you, it available for a fraction of that now. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:11
Originally posted by oroboross oroboross wrote:

What DT needs is less idiot opinions.  Like them or hate them,  they will survive without you. And their true fans will continue to buy and enjoy their albums,  liking some better than others.


hahahhaha... if THAT was all DT needed ..I'd sure as hell shut my idiotic mouth up LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 16:27
Better Lyrics
A new singer
Less mindless w**king
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:09
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

I think the T has stigmatized the glass prison to a point where he can't listen to anything on that disc LOLits easily one of their most 'overtly' metal tracks and I used to love it, now I kind of just are "meh" towards it. Great intro, goes waaay too long with the solo section. The other songs aren't exactly DT's best but you'll find at least something to like in one of them (I personally really like/love them, The Great Debate is a song they always get sh*t for for some reason, at least from what I've seen, but it's my favorite on disc 1)



I thought 'The Great Debate' was quite the masterpiece as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:15
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
there's some things that can be fixed in some DT songs (or albums, like erase the complete 6DOIT-side ONE) but the band is what it is.
 
Is it really that bad? I'm planning to buy 6DOIT (it's their only album I've never heard a note!). Will it be worth my $$?
I bought this when it first came out, in the UK it cost £28 (or the equivalent of $56!!!!!) - which for 96 minutes of music isn't that bad (I guess Confused), but for 42 minutes that I like and 54 that I don't, I couldn't call it value for money. Ouch
 
Luckily for you, it available for a fraction of that now. Wink
 
Yeah, here it is brand new for 10 dollars! Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:45
What does DT need? Jesus.


Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:46
CROWN OF THORRRNS AT MY SIDE


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:56
The three things that DT need the most are stage presence, restraint and some action with the ladies.
Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 19:31
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

What does DT need? Jesus.


Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting. LOL


Hell, it worked for Neal Morse. And Portnoy has toured with Morse's solo band, so he already knows how to play some mean Christian prog drumming.

Metropolis Part 3: Scenes From The Life Of Christ? That'd be pretty sick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 21:49
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

They need to be owned by Steve Hackett, so they can finally loose their manly urges and create something with true beauty inside instead of empty technique.
 
Nah! Hackett didn't contribute enough to Genesis.He only played on about 10% of each Genesis album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 21:53
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

What does DT need? Jesus.


Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting. LOL

Have you found Jesus, Forrest John?

I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:03
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

What does DT need? Jesus.


Now I'll sit back and watch this thread get very interesting. LOL


ahem...

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16098&KW=God&PN=1

so I guess Jesus is what.. Pattrucci's son...AngryLOL

and who is dear old mom...



Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:18
Got a picture of the other members wives? I'm curious.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:26
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Got a picture of the other members wives? I'm curious.


hahhaha.. yeah....  so am I....  curious to see who would find these guys attractive LOL



maybe one of our creative geniuses can put together a photo montage for us... the band and wives... hahahha...  when we get tired of picking on them... we'll go for the wives... LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:39
Portnoy is sexy.Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:42
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Portnoy is sexy.Embarrassed


HAH!!!!!!  what do you know LOLWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:45
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Portnoy is sexy.Embarrassed


HAH!!!!!!  what do you know LOLWink


 
As a gay prog fan, I feel I can judge the sexiness of prog musicians better than most people on this forum.
 
Portnoy has the whole "edgy New York jew with a heart of gold" thing going for him. The other guys are ugly though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 22:53
The only thing Dream Theater really needs is your money, oh, and your undying, fanatical devotion.

And praise be to laBrie.  If the other members choose to cut theCheese, may laBrie smite them with camembert.

To answer part of the original question: To get into the top 15 here they might consider making a retro album that is heavily influenced by Yes, Genesis, and Pink FLoyd, since those are the fans to pander to to be top in PA.  Of course I don't think that being top of the PA charts is a top priority for the band.

As for success (and remember that some music artists are going strong after 30 plus years) with the general Prog crowd in particular... experiment, try new styles, surprise people.  A big part of Prog as an attitude to making music is about experimentation, blending genres, and using song structures that deny expectation.  It's about pushing the boundaries of Prog/Metal and taking it into new realms... in part.  Unfortunately, some bands find a formula that works, and in their complacency become conventional.  Don't know about Dream Theater first-hand (I don't know enough of the band's music), but I see comments saying that the band has stagnated.  Progression or death....

If they were to completely change their style, then it wouldn't be Dream Theater anymore, and would alienate the fans (going that far it would be better to change the name of the project), but adding new twists and expanding their musical repertoire could help.  Maybe bring in some new musicians (cellist, flautist, saxophonist, whatever) and new musical ideas.

But I'm speaking generally, and from a Prog viewpoint as opposed to a mainstream rock/metal one.   And who is to define success, be it commercial, critical, or artistic?  Ultimately, I generally like artists to make the art they enjoy making; something that they can be proud of.  I think being true to yourself is more important than being true to your fans.  If the band members are happy with their creations and direction, and enjoy what they do, then I'm happy for them, but bowing to outside pressures can kill the art (though it might be deemed necessary to stay in the industry).

For myself, if I were to hear it, I'd like for DT's next album to be rather lighthearted, quirky, zany, and very witty (with some biting social satire).  Sometimes it's harder to take music seriously that seems to take itself seriously.
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