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archivep 
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 Topic: Top 5 ever in progmetal
Posted: November 21 2007 at 05:08 |
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1.DT "Images & Words"
2.DT "Awake"
3.ARK "Burn The Sun"
4.DT "Metropolis..." + "Train..."
5.FATES WARNING "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
"Images..." is for me the absolute peak of progressive metal with the perfect songwriting, musicianship and the production.
I think it has not been reached yet.
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 05:25 |
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1.DT "Images & Words"
2.Queensryche "Promised Land"
3.Sieges Even "A Sense Of Change"
4.Angra "Holy Land"
5.Fates Warning "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 05:33 |
 archivep wrote:
1.DT "Images & Words"
2.DT "Awake"
3.ARK "Burn The Sun"
4.DT "Metropolis..." + "Train..."
5.FATES WARNING "A Pleasant Shade of Gray"
"Images..." is for me the absolute peak of progressive metal with the perfect songwriting, musicianship and the production.
I think it has not been reached yet.
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Quite an overstatement there my friend. Images and Words is trully a benchmark of progressive metal as a genre, but there are loads of other bands other than Dream Theater who made better albums than that. So anyways, here is my top 5 in no particular order:
Pain of Salvation- Entropia
Dream Theater- Awake
Tool- Lateralus
Symphony X- V
Ayreon- The Human Equation
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archivep
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 05:56 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
archivep wrote:
1.DT "Images & Words" 2.DT "Awake" 3.ARK "Burn The Sun" 4.DT "Metropolis..." + "Train..." 5.FATES WARNING "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" "Images..." is for me the absolute peak of progressive metal with the perfect songwriting, musicianship and the production. I think it has not been reached yet. |
Quite an overstatement there my friend. Images and Words is trully a benchmark of progressive metal as a genre, but there are loads of other bands other than Dream Theater who made better albums than that. So anyways, here is my top 5 in no particular order:
Pain of Salvation- Entropia
Dream Theater- Awake
Tool- Lateralus
Symphony X- V
Ayreon- The Human Equation
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No everstatement my friend... For me it´s a fact. I´ve heard plenty of prog metal and so called prog metal albums in many years, but simply DT is the top for me.
Everybody has an opinion, so I respect yours, my friend.
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Casartelli
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 06:05 |
Excluding the 'new' genres that moved out of the 'progressive metal' subgenre, I think my holy trinity should look like:
Dream Theater - Awake
Fates Warning - A pleasant shade of gray
Queensr˙che - Operation: mindcrime
Including them, The Gathering's Mandylion surpasses everything (in advance sorry for the bold statement, Mike  )
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 06:41 |
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first this must probably go under top 10s and lists...
then...
1. DT - Images and Words
2. Queensryche - OM
3. Fates Warning - APSOG
4. Tool - Lateralus
5. Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element pt.1
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Ahmadbarqawi
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 07:43 |
My top 5 (favorite albums & not best) would have to be:
1- Anathema: Judgement
2- Riverside: Second Life Syndrome
3- Queensryche: Operation Mindcrime
4- Liquid Tension Experiment: 2
5- Savatage: Streets
& also: Remedy Lane & Scenes from a Memory are way up there
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Casartelli
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 08:09 |
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Oops... I knew I forgot one... ANATHEMA
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Darklord55
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 08:10 |
My top five right now, but always could change at a moments notice:
Opeth-Ghost Reveries
Dream Theater-Systematic Chaos I know! But I really like this one.
Meshuggah-Chaosphere
Symphony X-The Odyssey
Dream Theater-Metropolis and Opeth-Blackwater Park tied.
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Space Dimentia
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 08:42 |
DT - Images and Words
Symphony X - Divine Wings of Tragedy or V: The New Mythology Suite
Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace
Threshold - Wounded Land or Critical Mass
Orphaned Land - Mabool: The Story of the Three sons of Seven
can I also add Opeth: Still Life?
These are in no particular order as thay change daily and upon my mood at the time
Edited by Space Dimentia - November 21 2007 at 08:43
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Hercules
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 10:35 |
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Despite being a big fan of classical metal, I've only heard 3 prog metal bands that do anything for me - Riverside (Second Life Sydrome is really excellent), Ayreon and Opeth (I can even cope with the growls because the music is so good).
Tool are a little bit dull if pleasant and inoffensive, Dream Theater may be wonderful musicians but their singer stinks and their music is full of cliches. Messugah - well they really are horrendous; their music is, well not music in my view, mostly just a ghastly noise of complex, unmelodic riffs which rapidly makes me want to smash the CD player. Pity, you can tell they're excellent musicians on the few occasions when they stop trying to be the heaviest thing around. Likewise The Dillenger Escape Plan. I recently bought a selection of CDs by bands recommended on this site which I hadn't heard; Riverside (SLS), Opeth (Blackwater Park), Ayreon (The Human Equation) were great, Tool (Lateratus) was OK and Messugah, Dillinger Escape Plan, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum (Of Natural History) and The Mars Volta (Frances the Mute) were complete disasters - not my thing at all.
I will have to investigate some of the other bands recommended here. I like melody and clear, memorable riffs you can head bang to (Budgie is my favourite metal band with Metallica a close second) so which would be the best to try next?
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 10:36 |
- Tool - Lateralus (the only perfect album in the metal genre if you ask me)
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Opeth - Blackwater park
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Moonsorrow - V Havitetty (not in the archives, but it can be seen as progressive)
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Pain of Salvation - The perfect element part I
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Fredik Thordendal´s Special Defects - Sol Niger Within
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Era V.
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 10:45 |
I could never put Dream Theater anywhere in a top 5 list. Unless that list was top 5 great bands with a singer who can't perform live and whose 'melodies' are as mundane as fish and chips.
1. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
2. Death - Sound of Perseverance
3. Cynic - Focus
4. Tool - Lateralus
5. Atheist - Elements
Unfortunately there's very little prog-metal with clean vocals that appeals to me. If only Dream Theater and Fate's Warning and them had singers more like Rob Lowe!
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 13:42 |
archivep wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
archivep wrote:
1.DT "Images & Words" 2.DT "Awake" 3.ARK "Burn The Sun" 4.DT "Metropolis..." + "Train..." 5.FATES WARNING "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" "Images..." is for me the absolute peak of progressive metal with the perfect songwriting, musicianship and the production. I think it has not been reached yet. |
Quite an overstatement there my friend. Images and Words is trully a benchmark of progressive metal as a genre, but there are loads of other bands other than Dream Theater who made better albums than that. So anyways, here is my top 5 in no particular order:
Pain of Salvation- Entropia
Dream Theater- Awake
Tool- Lateralus
Symphony X- V
Ayreon- The Human Equation
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No everstatement my friend... For me it´s a fact. I´ve heard plenty of prog metal and so called prog metal albums in many years, but simply DT is the top for me.
Everybody has an opinion, so I respect yours, my friend. |
I'm with Archivep on this one Mike...and not because of DT (in fact, I DO think therer are better albums than Images...)... Why would you or me qualify his opinion as an overstatement? I think you putting Entropia above SX's V is outrageous, but it's just opinions, and for you, a fact. So, for Archivep, his staemente must also be a fact, as it's his opinion.
My top-five:
1 - Scenes from a Memory - DREAM THEATER
2 - Age of Impact - EXPLORERS CLUB
3 - Various - LEONARDO THE ABSOLUTE MAN
4 - Tyranny - SHADOW GALLERY
5 - Images and Words - DREAM THEATER
Yes, how "uncool" I am, not one single extreme or post metal band on my top 5, and TWO DT albums... and such an unknown thing as Explorer's Club, very much criticized as well as praised....... What the hell, it's my list, isn't it? For me, it's a FACT.
Edited by The T - November 21 2007 at 13:43
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 13:48 |
This is simply too hard. Coming up with five is impossible, if only because I'd have to restrict myself to picking this few from about 25-30 albums I'd give (or have given) 4.5/5 stars. And just thinking about having to choose out Agalloch album out of three seems like an impossible task (if I pick, I'm not giving other hypermasterpieces the attention they deserve).
I'll remember to think about it though, good thread.
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 17:06 |
The T wrote:
archivep wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
archivep wrote:
1.DT "Images & Words" 2.DT "Awake" 3.ARK "Burn The Sun" 4.DT "Metropolis..." + "Train..." 5.FATES WARNING "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" "Images..." is for me the absolute peak of progressive metal with the perfect songwriting, musicianship and the production. I think it has not been reached yet. |
Quite an overstatement there my friend. Images and Words is trully a benchmark of progressive metal as a genre, but there are loads of other bands other than Dream Theater who made better albums than that. So anyways, here is my top 5 in no particular order:
Pain of Salvation- Entropia
Dream Theater- Awake
Tool- Lateralus
Symphony X- V
Ayreon- The Human Equation
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No everstatement my friend... For me it´s a fact. I´ve heard plenty of prog metal and so called prog metal albums in many years, but simply DT is the top for me.
Everybody has an opinion, so I respect yours, my friend. |
I'm with Archivep on this one Mike...and not because of DT (in fact, I DO think therer are better albums than Images...)... Why would you or me qualify his opinion as an overstatement? I think you putting Entropia above SX's V is outrageous, but it's just opinions, and for you, a fact. So, for Archivep, his staemente must also be a fact, as it's his opinion.
My top-five:
1 - Scenes from a Memory - DREAM THEATER
2 - Age of Impact - EXPLORERS CLUB
3 - Various - LEONARDO THE ABSOLUTE MAN
4 - Tyranny - SHADOW GALLERY
5 - Images and Words - DREAM THEATER
Yes, how "uncool" I am, not one single extreme or post metal band on my top 5, and TWO DT albums... and such an unknown thing as Explorer's Club, very much criticized as well as praised....... What the hell, it's my list, isn't it? For me, it's a FACT.
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I wrote "In no particular order". And I often don't consider my opinions as absolute facts. We both agree that there are much more better album than Images and Words. I reacted when he wrote "it has not been reached yet",,,, that I don't think so, and is really quite an overstatement. There's no need for much argument really. 
btw, my name is not Mike.  
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 18:33 |
No order:
Sieges Even - A Sense of Change
Thordendal's Special Defects - Sol Niger Within
Dream Theater - Awake
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 19:17 |
in first place i will put any album by Ayreon , ARK "Burn The Sun" is great album, i think my cd is no longer in use because i play it so many times, every album by Death is exiting but Human is just.... perfect ,
Opeth - Blackwater park , i think it is a masterpiece and
Pain of Salvation - The perfect element part I .... no comment oh wait i forget ......SHADOW GALLERy now that is a bend that have some good albums  edit no i forgot MAYDOME what great band!
Edited by Komodo dragon - November 21 2007 at 19:29
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Posted: November 21 2007 at 19:31 |
Death - The sound of Perserverance
Tool - Lateralus
Neurosis - Through Silver in Blood
Meshuggah - I
Kayo Dot - Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tounge
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Posted: November 22 2007 at 01:02 |
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Tool - Lateralus
Dream Theater - Train of Thought
Tool - Aenima
Death - The Sound of Perseverance
... I know, I know, it's just that most prog metal sucks  Could we count In Absentia and Deadwing by Porcupine Tree?
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