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    Posted: October 25 2007 at 02:37
I think it's time we started embracing this new genre, probably one of the most controversial on the site. I think it needs it's own appreciation topic, also I'm always on the hunt for underrated gems so recommend your favourite albums.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 03:22
Well I can understand the controversy - what's the connection between tech metal and progressive rock?
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Points: 21106 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 03:31
^ it lies in the bands listed in the genre ... they're not just technical.
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the bands are rock and they're progressive..  I don't see the problem

..recs?  Blotted Science, Counter-World Experience, Sleep Terror, Collapsar, the F***ing Champs (not on PA)
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 03:43
The only connection I can think of is attention to technique in the playing. There's precious little else that links the bits and pieces I've heard of this genre to Prog Rock.
 
I used to be in a band that played what we called Technical Thrash. We called it that, because we listened to techniques that other thrash bands used, especially the more technically oriented - like Megadeth, Kreator, etc (this was in 1986), then worked on the techniques to incorporate them into the musical style we wanted to play - and we plundered deeply (although we didn't purloin the actual musical ideas themselves Wink).
 
 
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The only connection I can think of is attention to technique in the playing. There's precious little else that links the bits and pieces I've heard of this genre to Prog Rock.
 
 


You need to listen to more of it then. You couldn't really deny that bands like Atheist, Cynic or Spastic Ink are prog, just as you couldn't deny they are extreme and or technical metal.

Metal is just an extention of rock too, it falls under the rock umbrella.
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I've found some great stuff bordering with fusion, such as Spastic Ink - I'm glad this style exists Approve
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Points: 3 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 04:44
Some recs:
 
Diabolical Masquerade, the project of Blakkheim (Katatonia). Specially the album Death´s Design (2001)
 
Edge of Sanity,  with Dan Swanö. The album Crimson II (2003) had collaborations from Clive Nolan (Arena, Pendragon) in the lyrics, and in vocals and guitars from Mikael Akerfelt (Opeth) .
 
Unexpect surprised me too in 2006 with  In A Flesh Aquarium, an amazing release.
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Points: 782 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 05:07
Absolutely. I don't know how else you'd describe UNEXPECT except in progressive terms, and they're certainly both technical and extreme metal.
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The only connection I can think of is attention to technique in the playing. There's precious little else that links the bits and pieces I've heard of this genre to Prog Rock.
 
I used to be in a band that played what we called Technical Thrash. We called it that, because we listened to techniques that other thrash bands used, especially the more technically oriented - like Megadeth, Kreator, etc (this was in 1986), then worked on the techniques to incorporate them into the musical style we wanted to play - and we plundered deeply (although we didn't purloin the actual musical ideas themselves Wink).
 
 


You should really listen to Blotted Science ... I honestly believe you would enjoy it. And *maybe* you'll agree with me that it's quite different from anything that Megadeth, Kreator etc. would play.

http://www.myspace.com/blottedscience

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Spiral Architect and Spatic Ink are gateway bands that led me to the genre.It's much of an acquired taste for me. I can't stand much of the growling at first, but the heavy, almost punishing guitar riffs and punchy blastbeats (jackhammerEvil%20Smile) kept me interested. Meshuggah and Opeth helped a lot to make the harsh vocals acceptable ( yes, for lack of a better word). Now, I find myself really hooked with bands like:
 
Becoming The Archetype
Behold... The Arctopus
Continuo Renacer
Sleep Terror
Psycroptic
The Red Chord
Psyopus
Anata
Theory in Practice
Atheist
Cynic
Alarum
... and loads of other stuff.
 
 
Not all bands that i've mentioned is in PA methinks, but anyways, here's a one, big devil horns salute for PA for the recognition of the genre:
 
 
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Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

I've found some great stuff bordering with fusion, such as Spastic Ink - I'm glad this style exists Approve


So do I, and I intend to delve deeper. Though what I've heard so far is definitely NOT easy listening, I think many of those bands are really the way forward for prog, and not just a regurgitation of what others did much better in the Seventies. Just my two eurocents, of courseWink...
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

I've found some great stuff bordering with fusion, such as Spastic Ink - I'm glad this style exists Approve


So do I, and I intend to delve deeper. Though what I've heard so far is definitely NOT easy listening, I think many of those bands are really the way forward for prog, and not just a regurgitation of what others did much better in the Seventies. Just my two eurocents, of courseWink...
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Go and delve deeper Ms. Raf.Clap
Yeah, don't listen to Tech/Extreme when you're unwinding.LOL
BTW, take those 2 Euro cents here in the Philippines and you can buy a burger.Wink 

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that's right, Raff,  they're among the most forward-pushing acts right now
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 06:48
Pity that not everybody here sees them that way... Far too many still think of metal as the prerogative of illiterate, foul-mouthed, hairy yobs, and refuse to see anything progressive about it. The debate currently raging after the PM split actually gave me the idea for a new blog... if I ever get round to sitting down and writing it, that is!LOL
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Originally posted by FruMp FruMp wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The only connection I can think of is attention to technique in the playing. There's precious little else that links the bits and pieces I've heard of this genre to Prog Rock.
 
 


You need to listen to more of it then. You couldn't really deny that bands like Atheist, Cynic or Spastic Ink are prog
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I probably could, if that's what I thought. Wink
 
As it happens, I haven't listened to those bands very much, on a "once bitten..." basis.
 
We are talking about bands that use the standard song structure, with extended instrumental sections, rigid and repetitive riffs (mostly quite short and single-phrase - no actual development or progression per se, just a large number of small ideas strung togther and put through various time signatures to make it sound complicated as opposed to truly compositionally complex) - and that includes the quiet bits, which typically waste the opportunity to compose something interesting, and simply break down a short (and normally exceedingly simple) riff into picked chords, with solos that are normally pyrotechnical displays of various techniques, improvisation, or a combination of the two, rather than true compositions (something that stands out a mile to a composition student).
 
OK, maybe Spastic Ink don't deserve that description, but certainly Atheist and Cynic both do, from what I've heard.
 

Originally posted by FruMp FruMp wrote:


Metal is just an extention of rock too, it falls under the rock umbrella.
 
Well quite, but there's a LOT of rock that isn't Prog, and most metal isn't Prog either.
 
Prog Metal != Prog Rock, and metal has evolved a long way from its' rock roots.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The only connection I can think of is attention to technique in the playing. There's precious little else that links the bits and pieces I've heard of this genre to Prog Rock.
 
I used to be in a band that played what we called Technical Thrash. We called it that, because we listened to techniques that other thrash bands used, especially the more technically oriented - like Megadeth, Kreator, etc (this was in 1986), then worked on the techniques to incorporate them into the musical style we wanted to play - and we plundered deeply (although we didn't purloin the actual musical ideas themselves Wink).
 
 


You should really listen to Blotted Science ... I honestly believe you would enjoy it. And *maybe* you'll agree with me that it's quite different from anything that Megadeth, Kreator etc. would play.

http://www.myspace.com/blottedscience

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All I had to do was see the name Ron Jarzombek, and I knew that here is part of the "precious little" - but there's still a Megadeth link Wink


Edited by Certif1ed - October 25 2007 at 08:16
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^ there is some of Megadeth in Jarzombek, but little to none Jarzombek in Megadeth ... that's the thing.

BTW: Some more of the precious little here: http://www.myspace.com/artmetalband Cool
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Megadeth and Jarzombek?, hmm hard to see a link, although on the topic of thrash and technical metal if anyone here is a thrash fan then Coroner are an absolute must, 'Punishment for Decadence' is one of the best tech-thrash albums ever recorded, hell it's one of the best thrash albums ever recorded, it'd probably be top 10.
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Between the Buried and Me's album Alaska.  Thumbs%20Up
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