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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 17:56 | |||
We decided to take "Experimental" a little bit more literal than it is being used in "Experimental/Post-Rock" ... like you already mentioned in a later post the new category "Experimental/Post-Metal" will actually be a combination of Experimental Prog Metal and Post Metal. One guideline though is that if bands are too quirky and technical they go to "Tech/Extreme" instead. A good example of an Experimental Prog Metal band would be Maudlin of the Well. They could also be called Avant-Prog Metal, but since they're relatively calm and not extremely technical, they go to Experimental. And style-wise they really go well with the Post Metal stuff (Kayo Dot being the *obvious* example). The Gathering ... they're a difficult case, since all their albums are so different from each other. In that case I think it's best to look at their masterpieces - in that case: How to Measure a Planet?. And that album is a really good example of a very calm type of experimentality. I strongly recommend to check out this sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pt7gtWHWTs |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 17:56 | |||
Agalloch is always a good introduction to whatever kind of music you haven't been introduced to (since they don't really fall into any particular category), but you should learn to understand why the vocals are exactly the way they are performed in Agalloch's music, as opposed to being traditional rock'n'roll vocals.
By the way, have you and Raffaella exposed yourselves to the Italian atmospheric Death Metal band Novembre? Their newest album will be the best, as my ability to see the future suggests me.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 17:58 | |||
Meshuggah: Melody-is-overrated Metal
Spiral Architect: And-you-thought-Dream-Theater-w**ked-off Metal
Dragonforce: Head-asplode Metal
Very good decision.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 17:59 | |||
I thought you already had The Gathering's Manylion? I must admit, I was rather shocked to find that the Experimental/Post- metal section's top album list was completely dominated by Anathema. Edited by sleeper - October 22 2007 at 18:00 |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:00 | |||
Are Dragonforce on the site too now? I haven't observed the additions for a few months but I've learned to expect the unexpected.
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:01 | |||
I've heard some stuff from Agalloch via samples and I had to say I really did like it... a lot..... they are first up on my next CD binge hahhahaha... I trust that vision. Haven't heard them... I'll see what I can dig up by them. Do they growl in Italian.. .if so... oh brother... I am SO there |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:01 | |||
No, but I don't really know why they're not. I'm not complaining though.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:01 | |||
I think they're technical (and extreme) enough to go to Avant-Garde Prog Metal. Please note that the names of the new sub genres might be tweaked a little bit ... in order to judge which band goes where you always have to see the top level genre in conjunction with the style. So the top critera for the second genre are "technical" and "extreme". We'll soon have the definitions online ... and I think in a week or so we'll have example band/album lists for each of them. |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:03 | |||
Aren't you? You should be.
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:04 | |||
Raff brought it.... and I did like it.... I guess it technically isn't wasn't my first however hahhah....... this would be my first foray into it.... spending MY hard earned jack hahhahah |
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:08 | |||
Great to hear that, the first thing one should understand before getting into Agalloch is that the "harsh" vocals do not express the commonly anticipated aggression they tend to be associated with.
Do Novembre growl in Italian? I'm not sure about the growling part, but the singer does alternate between singing in his native language and Italian (usually English dominates, but it is so to a lesser extent on the latest albums which are also their best). Personally I speak neither language very well (my writing skills in English are good thanks to the internet) and I often have trouble concluding which language Carmelo is singing in at a given instant. His voice is a bit unclear, nasal, but I like it.
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:10 | |||
thanks for the heads up Ivan... I'll hunt up some samples... I'm feeling sort of experimentative tonight.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:10 | |||
So I understand that even though the work has been finished and they will be here soon, improvement and suggestions could be used for additional accuracy? If that's so, I guess it could make sense for me to stick around the forums for the next few weeks for discussions, unless you mind of course (which I guess I have given sufficient reasons for in the past).
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:11 | |||
I was referring specifically to Souvenirs which pushed the experimentation of How To Measure A Planet? a little further, but either are valid , though I think they'd practically left the world of metal by then.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:11 | |||
The ones on the site should be right up your alley, Micky. I am sure of it, because I sent them myself. Heheh. One could say they are softer than some of their other songs (which aren't particularly messy or aggressive, as I tend to see it).
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:13 | |||
heading that way.... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:19 | |||
I think they left them it Souvenirs, but How to Measure a Planet? still has a lot of metal ... stoner metal to be precise. I love that album ... but you have to be in the right mood to enjoy it. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - October 22 2007 at 18:20 |
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:23 | |||
Do you have to be stoned to appreciate it? I guess that's why I never got into The Gathering that much.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:28 | |||
^ I was never stoned, so I can't comment.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: October 22 2007 at 18:29 | |||
With Krys Rygg duetting on Souvenirs you do surprise me.
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