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ProgBagel
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 23:04 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I've NEVER seen this poll before! |
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toolis
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 04:36 |
Black Sabbath
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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King of Loss
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 04:27 |
This isn't a competition!
Dream Theater
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Dim
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 00:18 |
micky wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
yoel? wrote:
I set this poll up because i was having an argument, or like a discussion with a friend and I said porcupine tree were more 'proggy' than dream theater and alot weirder and 'out there' and i had a list of arguments I cant be bothered to type out here, anyway he said that dream theater were proggier, for reasons that I dont understand becuase he said 'you have to play guitar to understand the reasons' things like difference in rhythm etc, anyway I was wondering what the opinion on here is |
What a stupid thing to say. I am an avid guitar player and Petrucci reminds me never to lose my restraint! |
whoa....
how's this for stupid.
I don't give a f**k if you are Eric Johnson.... try learning a little respect for other posters. Unless you want to find your opinions belittled and ridiculed. Trust me... it can be easily done once the facade of respect is worn away.
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You got that wrong, I was talking about his friend, not him. Yoel is innocent! I think his friend is not a very smart person for the whole guitar thing.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 23:30 |
micky wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
yoel? wrote:
I set this poll up because i was having an argument, or like a
discussion with a friend and I said porcupine tree were more 'proggy'
than dream theater and alot weirder and 'out there' and i had a list of
arguments I cant be bothered to type out here, anyway he said that
dream theater were proggier, for reasons that I dont understand becuase he said 'you have to play guitar to understand the reasons' things like difference in rhythm etc, anyway I was wondering what the opinion on here is |
What a stupid thing to say. I am an avid guitar player and Petrucci reminds me never to lose my restraint! |
whoa....
how's this for stupid.
I don't give a f**k if you are Eric Johnson.... try
learning a little respect for other posters. Unless you
want to find your opinions belittled and ridiculed. Trust
me... it can be easily done once the facade of respect is worn
away.
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Micky, schizoid was saying that Yoel's FRIEND said a stupid thing, not Yoel himself. But on that topic, Porcupine Tree have an equal or greater amount of prog-iness, just not always technical-instrumental-high strung-rhythmically, but in atmosphere, scale, depth, and so on. Just because DT have more rhythmic complexity, doesn't make then "more" progressive.
Edited by Shakespeare - October 05 2007 at 23:30
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Shakespeare
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 23:27 |
You can't be "more" prog.
It's like being dead. If you died of a disease right now, and your heart stopped, you'd be dead. If I shot you then, you wouldn't be "more" dead, 'cause you were already dead.
So, in short, Porcupine Tree is WAY more progressive than DT.
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micky
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:42 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
yoel? wrote:
I set this poll up because i was having an argument, or like a
discussion with a friend and I said porcupine tree were more 'proggy'
than dream theater and alot weirder and 'out there' and i had a list of
arguments I cant be bothered to type out here, anyway he said that
dream theater were proggier, for reasons that I dont understand becuase he said 'you have to play guitar to understand the reasons' things like difference in rhythm etc, anyway I was wondering what the opinion on here is |
What a stupid thing to say. I am an avid guitar player and Petrucci reminds me never to lose my restraint! |
whoa....
how's this for stupid.
I don't give a f**k if you are Eric Johnson.... try
learning a little respect for other posters. Unless you
want to find your opinions belittled and ridiculed. Trust
me... it can be easily done once the facade of respect is worn
away.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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The T
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:23 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
The T wrote:
As great as PT is on disc, live they're not so good... I was there this wednesday in Orlando... they don't put the great performance that other lesser bands put...no solos, no interaction, Wilson makes mistakes (he forgot the lyrics of Blackest Eyes) and too many unknown songs..... That fact alone makes my (already made) decision even a stronger one : DT!  |
They were pretty decent on that tour when they opened for Yes. |
I'm just talking about what I saw TWO days ago.... the live show they put is decent... only when they played Anesthesize they really rised above a good performance... but they didn't sound as PERFECT as other performances I've seen...
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:20 |
The T wrote:
As great as PT is on disc, live they're not so good... I was there this wednesday in Orlando... they don't put the great performance that other lesser bands put...no solos, no interaction, Wilson makes mistakes (he forgot the lyrics of Blackest Eyes) and too many unknown songs..... That fact alone makes my (already made) decision even a stronger one : DT!  |
They were pretty decent on that tour when they opened for Yes.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:17 |
Melomaniac wrote:
Porcupine Tree are more experimental than DT ever will be, and they have proved to be able AND competent at different approaches throughout their career, whereas DT have their own sound they so rarely derivate from.
To me, PT is more progressive than DT. |
If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black....
That said, I'd still vote for PT.
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The T
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:12 |
As great as PT is on disc, live they're not so good... I was there this wednesday in Orlando... they don't put the great performance that other lesser bands put...no solos, no interaction, Wilson makes mistakes (he forgot the lyrics of Blackest Eyes) and too many unknown songs..... That fact alone makes my (already made) decision even a stronger one : DT!
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yoel?
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 14:26 |
do you mean it was a stupid thing for me to say, or a stupid thing for my friend to say?
im confused
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Dim
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 20:54 |
yoel? wrote:
I set this poll up because i was having an argument, or like a discussion with a friend and I said porcupine tree were more 'proggy' than dream theater and alot weirder and 'out there' and i had a list of arguments I cant be bothered to type out here, anyway he said that dream theater were proggier, for reasons that I dont understand becuase he said 'you have to play guitar to understand the reasons' things like difference in rhythm etc, anyway I was wondering what the opinion on here is |
What a stupid thing to say. I am an avid guitar player and Petrucci reminds me never to lose my restraint!
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Phil
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 18:33 |
proghairfunk wrote:
This is not a question of which is your favorite, but which is more progressive. Mine goes for DT. |
On both counts, I vote for PT.
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Drew
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 18:13 |
PT easily.
DT are better musicians though.
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proghairfunk
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 17:57 |
This is not a question of which is your favorite, but which is more progressive. Mine goes for DT.
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Dim
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 17:49 |
I've NEVER seen this poll before!
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ConfusedGenius
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:46 |
These bands have nothing in common. Oddly enough I'm listening to
Systematic Chaos now. Anyway PT is my favorite band of all time,
and are definitely much better songwritters. Technically, DT are better
musicians but PT are something very unique and beautiful.
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Philéas
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:22 |
Porcupine Tree by a million miles. DT are proggier, but a lot cheesier.
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mono
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Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:29 |
Well....
If you consider one single track, I'd have to say that DT are proggier : more variations, more rythm changes, etc...
But if you consider a whole album or the whole discography, I'd go with
PT, who progress way more than DT who can't escape their sound. I'd
even quote a critic who said (about another band though) that "they
have become their own tribute band"... Their latest album clearly shows
that. Nothing new, an impression of deja-vu all along. Whereas PT have
never had two albums of the same taste, and they continue to prove it
with their latest 2007 releases (NR & FOABP). So my vote goes to PT.
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