Porcupine Tree vs Dream Theater
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Topic: Porcupine Tree vs Dream Theater
Posted By: yoel?
Subject: Porcupine Tree vs Dream Theater
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:36
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I set this poll up because i was having an argument, or like a discussion with a friend and I said porcupine tree were more 'proggy' than dream theater and alot weirder and 'out there' and i had a list of arguments I cant be bothered to type out here, anyway he said that dream theater were proggier, for reasons that I dont understand becuase he said 'you have to play guitar to understand the reasons' things like difference in rhythm etc, anyway I was wondering what the opinion on here is |
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:39
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Progressive doesn't necessarily mean more technically proficient. Porcupine Tree are more experimental than DT ever will be, and they have proved to be able AND competent at different approaches throughout their career, whereas DT have their own sound they so rarely derivate from.
To me, PT is more progressive than DT. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:44
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Porcupine Tree are more Progressive in the truest sense of the word and are more musically adventurous than Dream Theater. However PT can be guilty of trawling their previous releases for ideas from time to time but then who doesn't. Dream Theater are an excellent band though if a little predictable at times. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:44
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jesus .... .whoever started this poll should rot... you have earned my eternal rage hahahha Dream Theater... and I am not a fan. ... by a mile. Dream Theater may be w**kers in search of melody... but they were far more progressive than PT. PT is some great music... but not exactly the most progressive I've ever heard. At least we an credit DT for defining an established genre of progressive rock. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:46
Micky, YOU, voting for DT in a poll ?
 RAFF, GET IN HERE, MICKY IS GUILTY OF HERESY !!!
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micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:47
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hahahha... I know... that is whoever started this poll... is in BIG trouble. Thankfully...I haven't looked yet hahahah
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 15:49
ahhhhh... just peaked.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 17:21
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In terms of progressiveness, DT is the lesser of two evils
 . I only give them credit for pioneering prog-metal, as Micky pointed out. Musically, I enjoy PT considerably more, however. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 17:27
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Dream Theater has attempted to change there sound.
Falling into Infinity was pretty good except for too much filler. Octavarium was abyssimal. Porcupine Tree changes every album and there all excellent. Good enough for me...PT by a mile. |
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 17:40
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Only PT I have is "In Absentia", but I prefer most of Dream Theater's stuff, so my wote goes to DT.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 17:47
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I like Porcupine Tree, but I'd say Dream Theater are more progressive when they're at their best. However, that doesn't happen as often as I'd like.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 17:59
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I thought this was about the band you liked the most... but when I sae the question "who is more progressive"... I wont vote
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Posted By: mp3killer
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 18:04
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Both bands are great, but I think DT are more progressive & by far more technical . I also find them much more waried compared to PT's addictive, but repetetive style of playing and quickly recognizable sound almost no matter what PT album you pick. Just compare; Images & Words / 6DOIT and SC to The Sky Moves Sideways / In Absentia / Fear Of A Blank Planet, where FOABP is "just " a great mix of two previous albums! Both bands are amazing, but for me, DT has much bigger replay value, because I just prefer technical dynamic music consisted of jazz, rock & metal, mixed vith great variety melody, emotion, energy & flow (no other band than DT is better for me, in that). PT has other great pros; gr8 addictive rythm, choruses, psychedelia & flow, but I get bored of their music quiker, & I listen & like both bands ALOT.  ------------- prog forever! |
Posted By: puma
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 18:05
Dream Theater is lame
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 18:27
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Dream Theater might have a chance at this..... if it was 1994.
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Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:01
| Porcupine Tree! I've always felt that they were much more progressive than Dream Theater. |
Posted By: SoundsofSeasons
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:21
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I absolutely believe that Porcupine Tree is more progressive than Dream Theater. The closest to progressive Dream Theater was, to me, was with their earlier albums. PT however is still going strong with the progressiveness, just look at Fear of a Blank Planet, dubbed "Porcupine Tree's most hardcore AND softcore album to date", and the song Anesthisize named "The Beast" for it's length and diversity. If that isn't progressive then Dream Theater is a straight metal band. (So you DT fans better say its progressive or your saying your precious DT is straight ahead metal ------------- 1 Chronicles 13:7-9 Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 03 2007 at 20:42
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Dream Theater is more progressive than PT. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 02:54
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Porcupine Tree definitely. But they approach closer and closer to DT lately...
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Posted By: paloz
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 03:32
| Hell !! Porcupine tree |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 05:25
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Porcupine Tree seem far more progressive to me. Dream Theater are a 'prog metal' band. Everything they do will be set against a back drop of heavy metal. That in itself will stifle any true progression, imo.
The contrast between the hard rock and the ambient soundscapes on Porcupine Trees work, and the fact that they have 'progressed' and transcended styles over the last couple of decades makes them more prog by fefault, regardless of who you happen to think writes better songs. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 05:43
I know ... However, I'm afraid he's right in this respect, and I have to agree with him. This doesn't mean I prefer DT to PT, far from that.... I listen to PT quite often, while I've never been able to listen to anything by DT but I&W more than twice. However, I think PT's progressive quotient (especially if we are talking of the band's sound nowadays) is rather exaggerated. Now, if the poll question had been, "which is better?", of course I'd have voted for PT. As things stand, I won't vote for either one - just express my opinion. |
Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 06:19
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I don't really like either but Porcupine Tree, Dream Theatre are way too cheesy for my tastes.
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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 10:29
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Well.... If you consider one single track, I'd have to say that DT are proggier : more variations, more rythm changes, etc... But if you consider a whole album or the whole discography, I'd go with PT, who progress way more than DT who can't escape their sound. I'd even quote a critic who said (about another band though) that "they have become their own tribute band"... Their latest album clearly shows that. Nothing new, an impression of deja-vu all along. Whereas PT have never had two albums of the same taste, and they continue to prove it with their latest 2007 releases (NR & FOABP). So my vote goes to PT. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:22
| Porcupine Tree by a million miles. DT are proggier, but a lot cheesier. |
Posted By: ConfusedGenius
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 12:46
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These bands have nothing in common. Oddly enough I'm listening to
Systematic Chaos now. Anyway PT is my favorite band of all time,
and are definitely much better songwritters. Technically, DT are better
musicians but PT are something very unique and beautiful.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 17:49
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I've NEVER seen this poll before! ------------- 
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Posted By: proghairfunk
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 17:57
| This is not a question of which is your favorite, but which is more progressive. Mine goes for DT. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 18:13
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PT easily.
DT are better musicians though. ------------- |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 18:33
On both counts, I vote for PT.
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 20:54
What a stupid thing to say. I am an avid guitar player and Petrucci reminds me never to lose my restraint! -------------
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Posted By: yoel?
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 14:26
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do you mean it was a stupid thing for me to say, or a stupid thing for my friend to say?
im confused
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:12
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As great as PT is on disc, live they're not so good... I was there this wednesday in Orlando... they don't put the great performance that other lesser bands put...no solos, no interaction, Wilson makes mistakes (he forgot the lyrics of Blackest Eyes) and too many unknown songs..... That fact alone makes my (already made) decision even a stronger one : DT! ------------- 
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:17
If this isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black....
That said, I'd still vote for PT.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:20
They were pretty decent on that tour when they opened for Yes.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 15:23
I'm just talking about what I saw TWO days ago.... the live show they put is decent... only when they played Anesthesize they really rised above a good performance... but they didn't sound as PERFECT as other performances I've seen... -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 16:42
whoa.... how's this for stupid. I don't give a f**k if you are Eric Johnson.... try learning a little respect for other posters. Unless you want to find your opinions belittled and ridiculed. Trust me... it can be easily done once the facade of respect is worn away. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 23:27
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You can't be "more" prog. It's like being dead. If you died of a disease right now, and your heart stopped, you'd be dead. If I shot you then, you wouldn't be "more" dead, 'cause you were already dead. So, in short, Porcupine Tree is WAY more progressive than DT. |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 23:30
Micky, schizoid was saying that Yoel's FRIEND said a stupid thing, not Yoel himself. But on that topic, Porcupine Tree have an equal or greater amount of prog-iness, just not always technical-instrumental-high strung-rhythmically, but in atmosphere, scale, depth, and so on. Just because DT have more rhythmic complexity, doesn't make then "more" progressive. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 00:18
You got that wrong, I was talking about his friend, not him. Yoel is innocent! I think his friend is not a very smart person for the whole guitar thing. -------------
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 04:27
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This isn't a competition! Dream Theater |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 04:36
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 23:04
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Posted By: Lonely Progger
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:17
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I Think P.Tree is far more progressive and interesting to listen to so they get my vote.
Dream Theater was at it's best in liquid tension experiment i think ( without labrie & myung ) ------------- Lost in the south of france: " Le rock progressif ? C'est quoi cette connerie? " |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 18:00
Apparently it is!
 Pt slaughtered in the last two threads, this one will be no diffeent, and for that I am glad! -------------
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Posted By: zarathustra
Date Posted: November 11 2007 at 15:51
| haha..what a stupid topic....both bands are very different in sound... but i must admit that DT hasn't changed its sound in 20 years...at aLL!! |
Posted By: Morda
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 09:47
Really? Maybe you just caught them on a bad day? I saw them last week and some of the songs were worse live (My Ashes wasn't that great live and they played Dark Matter which wasn't that great live) but most of them were much, MUCH better, I found. Their final song was Halo and that was so much better than the studio version that there's no comparison. Maybe they're just one of these bands that are sometimes good and sometimes bad live? |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 11:20
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Progressive rock ? Porcupine Tree.
Progressive Metal? Dream Theater.
Better Musicians? Dream Theater.
Better compositions? Porcupine Tree/Dream Thaeter.
Better band overall Porcupine Tree/ Dream Theater..
I am a big fan of both bands and I had follow them both for more than 10 years now. I liked PT since the first time I head Signify and then Sky moves side ways back in the 90's because of their Biggest Influences Pink Floyd.
However I liked Dream Theater the first time I heard them because the Biggest Influences too RUSH.
so my point is the both are great bands and both are very progressive, but different in their own right. PT makes simpler prog ala Pink Floyd and Dream Theater makes more complex prog music ala YES/ELP.and Indeed they are very progressive and one isn't any less than the other. just like pink Floyd wasn't any less progressive than King crimson or ELP.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: November 12 2007 at 12:16
Yet another poster who is an ultra-DT loyalist? Look at the score. PT obviously appeals to many more than DT, and for very good reason. ------------- 
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Posted By: Xeroth
Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 15:47
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I would have to say Dream Theater, but who is proggiest is a tough, tough argument. I'm close to say their even, but just looking at the basic prog feeling, Dream Theater however is more accessible than Porcupine Tree by feel. I'd say even, but given the choice DT is probably the more proggy, technicality and length and variety of topic wise.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 14:35
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not a fan of either... but at least like some PT albums...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 15:31
exactly... X3 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 15:34
When will the madness end?! 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 15:35
we are trying.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 15:36
| The cat in Darkmatter's avatar trumps both. |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:04
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:08
can that cat use the search function here ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:11
| That cat looks freakishly similar to one of my cats at home.... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:13
ahhhhh.... I love cats ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 16:36
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What's this? Three polls with the same title and subject???? -------------
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 17:14
| ^ good work, T |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 21:03
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: December 15 2007 at 23:35
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