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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:34
I don't like ELP anyway. Or Yes. :P
 
But if it makes you feel better, I read through some of the rest of that blog (God knows why) and he's a jackass at best and an idiot at worst (musical taste aside).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:57
We can all agree that there are a lot of assholes out there who closed-mindedly dismiss prog while obviously not even listening to it.  We can stop making a thread each and every time one somebody puts something on their blog about how they don't like prog, ok?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
The fact that they're pretentious is what I love about them. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

We can all agree that there are a lot of assholes out there

Oh I agree, I'm openly one of them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
I'd like to know where the D&D comment came from since it seems to be a popular thing to rag on prog for. But who had those lyrics? ELP and Rush had some, but most prog bands didn't. Oh well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:50
See what comes from only listening to the "radio" and not taking any piano lessons kids  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 06:08
Sure, ELP often sound arrogant, but I just can't help it, I find some of those "fifteen minute" Hammond organ solos incredibly exciting! If you're going to hate all long and intricate instrumentals, you might as well write off 95% of all jazz recorded during the past sixty years. As for the Moog synthesizer, I know it sometimes sounds daft, but in Keith Emerson's hands it was, of course, far more than a gimmick. But anyway, there's no need to waste our time and take the writer of those "very intelligent" comments seriously. All he does is rant. You could bury ANY artist under invective, if you wanted to!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 07:14
A critique written by someone who hates the genre is never going to be valid or relevant and certainly isn't one worth arguing against. It's like me writing a critique of P Diddy- an amusing five minute distraction on my part, but never something that anyone would take seriously.
What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:00
It's all a matter of taste. I do not pay attention to these "The X Worst Bands of All Time". I like ELP, and that's enough to me. I don't mind if there are lots of people thinking they're crap, this is the kind of thing that does not bothers me. There are lots of artista praised by critics and I can't see why - e.g., in the 80s lots of people called Prince nothing less than a genius and, although I pay some respect to his work, I must say that he's not a genius IMHO!
I simply cannot understand why some people seems to take such criticisms as personal offenses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:01
calm down, kids, it's all good fun Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:09
The more people bash ELP the more i love em. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:40
The guy is an idiot.  They don't play multiple keyboards to be flashy, it's to have different sounds, right?  Or am I the idiot?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:47
The fact that ELP is even on such an inane list proves that any mental midget with a crayon can express an opinion on subjects that he has absolutely no knowledge of.  In 100 years their music will still be played while this idiot will be fertilizer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:52
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

In 100 years their music will still be played while this idiot will be fertilizer.

Unless the human race is dead by then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 10:02
The best Heavy Prog band in Symphonic Prog!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 14:07
It always amazes me, whenever I read or hear someone take a dig at prog, they always mention solos that go on for ages. Maybe they should pay attention a little more. Yes, there was a bit of pretension going on, but that's only because these musicians were so damn fine at what they did. They were just playing to the best of their ability.
 
As for long solos, I've never heard a solo go on for 15 minutes. I've heard a 15 minute song with some short solo's in them, but never one that goes on that long. Anyone who has, please correct me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 14:11
Originally posted by Kim Ankara Kim Ankara wrote:


Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes! What were the other 24 bands?

 

Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.

 

18 was Yes."18. Yes The hate affair with prog rock continues. This
band is famous for having written a song comparing a relationship to a
game of chess. You heard me. Freakin' chess. There is a reason that the
phrase is not "chess, drugs, and rock and roll." It might be an apt
literary analogy, but rock and roll is not literature. But then that
was the problem with prog rockers in general; they were all pretentious
forks who wanted to provide an education in the classics with their
rock. Remember in Good Will Hunting? The "Barney" with the sweater and
the blond ponytail who tries to embarrass Ben Affleck in front of
Minnie Driver, only to get shown up by Matt Damon? That ponytail guy is
the kind of guy who was into prog rock. He's the kind of guy who was in
Yes. A bunch of Barneys, they were. Freakin' chess... how do you like
those apples?"

So let's see what we can learn from this:
The process of writing lyrics to music is devoid of metaphors that range from genius and/or intelligent analogies to just sounding kinda neat (like love and chess, maybe)...or maybe just nerdy themes, well, the progheads will decide on their next assembly at the Dungeons and Dragons' tournament.
Second, progressive rockers are pretentious because prog itself isn't what good ol' rock n' roll's about. Yes, infact, progressive rock should've been called "special/different" rock, rather than sounding so lofty.
Which brings us to the third act of enlightenment. Let it be a lesson to all you prog artists: you may act superior in your aristocratic ostentation of talent, but it's the underdog outputs like Bon Jovi and Green Day out there that are breaking the rules and daring to write songs about jacksh*t, so whenever you stroll by in your fancy cars waving your huge wads of money, remember the little guys that are struggling to survive to maintain their ideals of selling out.

Solution? Luckily, while all of you were composing/listening to quality music, I came up with the plan to balance the force: we'll use our gargantuan intellect - that drive us so pretentiously to want to provide education in the classics with our (well, the artists') rock - and build a time machine to pick up Axl Rose from his peak in musicianship and drop him in the 70s on a Yes tour. Think about it: there's no resistance to Axl's fashion tips with that much amount of acids, and what do you think you're gonna write about when those shorts are constantly reminding you of what goes on below the equador? I predict that we'll have a new meaning to the song South Side Of The Sky.
Sex? Yes. Drugs? They were always there. Sex + Drugs = Rock and Roll. Problem solved. Musical evolution...Nullified.


Edit: Ok, well, this was uncalled for and the time wasted could've been spent in something constructive, thus I apologize for letting myself go in the midst of laughing it out...but come on, "Barney" from Good Will Hunting?      

Edited by Aspiring hope - September 23 2007 at 14:35

This is why you should let Robin save the day...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:15
This is a good example of "prog stereotype" - yes, ELP were overblown, yes, they were arrogant and full of themselves, but most things he's saying about them are factually incorrect. Plus, he's only really talking about Keith in that analysis.

And it's quite easy to criticise a band like Yes, but frankly, they're not the most ridiculous prog band out there, and I find their music highly enjoyable, almost spiritual.

As for Kansas, well, I don't like them either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:19
The guys entitled to his opinion, but the fact that he insults people who listen to ELP and Yes just makes him an arsehole.
His whole argument about Yes was that they made a song about comparing love to a chess game! He hardly gave good reasoning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:54
This man is a total jock. He constantly uses put-downs, and makes fun of those who are "less" than normal, thus implying that he is more macho or whatever.

His musical opinions are worthless, because they're about coolness, not about music.

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