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    Posted: September 01 2007 at 17:58
Here's an interesting article in favor of them:


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That link doesnt work....can you fix it please?
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2007 at 18:08

Are you talking about teh same STYX of The Grand Illusion and Domo Arigato Mr. Robotto?

Well, they are here as Prog Related and that 's the closest they can get to Prog.

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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

That link doesnt work....can you fix it please?
Are you sure?  I'll try to fix it...The article classifies Styx as ProgPop...
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2007 at 00:29
Originally posted by Rock Enro Rock Enro wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

That link doesnt work....can you fix it please?
Are you sure?  I'll try to fix it...The article classifies Styx as ProgPop...
 
I hate that term Prog Pop, it's a natural contradiction, Prog Related is more accurate, being that bands as STYX blend mainstream (not exclusively POP) with some Prog elements.
 
You can check them here:
 
 
That was my first bio in Prog Archives LOL
 
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No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop

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I like the prog pop label.   It's appropriate for bands that you can't accuse of selling out because they never quite made it in to begin with.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2007 at 14:11
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop
 
Have you heard their firstb three albums?
 
If you don't believe they are Prog, well I don't get what Prog is.
 
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Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

I like the prog pop label.   It's appropriate for bands that you can't accuse of selling out because they never quite made it in to begin with.


Styx were huge in the USA. Paradise Theater got to number 1 in the main album chart. They are probably amongst the top 10 biggest-selling bands on this site...
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Points: 230 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2007 at 14:43
I think they could be called as Cock Fonkers unless Whistler objects. Shocked
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No way, Styx did "Mr. Robotto?" That song is awesomely annoying!
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No way, Styx did "Mr. Robotto?" That song is awesomely annoying!
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IMHO, Styx should be considered prog. Far too often here, people judge the band on 'Babe', 'The Best Of Times' etc (all of which I personally hate; hardly anything the band recorded after 'Pieces Of Eight' does a thing for me). The same happens with Kansas; they hear the hits and think that they are just AOR.
 
From the debut through to 'The Grand Illusion' (their most progressive album), Styx had varying degrees of prog on their albums. There was also a heavy rock influence, too, of course. I personally thought most of their first few albums were quite poor to be honest (especially the debut) but they are prog albums, IMHO. People should listen to, say, tracks like 'Suite Madame Blue', 'The Grand Illusion' and 'Castle Walls', then call them a pop band, rather than those godawful ballads and pseudo novelty songs of later years.
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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

IMHO, Styx should be considered prog. Far too often here, people judge the band on 'Babe', 'The Best Of Times' etc (all of which I personally hate; hardly anything the band recorded after 'Pieces Of Eight' does a thing for me). The same happens with Kansas; they hear the hits and think that they are just AOR.
 
From the debut through to 'The Grand Illusion' (their most progressive album), Styx had varying degrees of prog on their albums. There was also a heavy rock influence, too, of course. I personally thought most of their first few albums were quite poor to be honest (especially the debut) but they are prog albums, IMHO. People should listen to, say, tracks like 'Suite Madame Blue', 'The Grand Illusion' and 'Castle Walls', then call them a pop band, rather than those godawful ballads and pseudo novelty songs of later years.


I'm no expert on Styx, and they've never interested me much to be honest, but to state they're nothing than a pop band - on the strength of their later, AOR output - is akin to saying that Genesis are nothing but a pop band because they released "Invisible Touch" or "We Can't Dance". Perhaps some people should try to LISTEN to a band first before making such sweeping statements.
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I do not get why bands for adolescents like Styxx, ELO and Queen are considered more prog than adult music like Bowie or Hendrix. It is a matter of substance as oppossed to Spinal Tap like appearances.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2007 at 02:42
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I do not get why bands for adolescents like Styxx, ELO and Queen are considered more prog than adult music like Bowie or Hendrix. It is a matter of substance as oppossed to Spinal Tap like appearances.
 
Are you sure of what you are saying?
 
STYX, Queen and ELO are anything but teen or adolescent bands, their fanbase covered a wide range of ages and hardly most of them were teens.
 
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 07:36
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop
 
Have you heard their firstb three albums?
 
If you don't believe they are Prog, well I don't get what Prog is.
 
Iván
 
No I didn't . I had only "Grand illusions" and "Paradise theatre" as a vinyls and best of on CD.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 14:04
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop
 
Have you heard their firstb three albums?
 
If you don't believe they are Prog, well I don't get what Prog is.
 
Iván
 
No I didn't . I had only "Grand illusions" and "Paradise theatre" as a vinyls and best of on CD.
 
Then Pero, how can you say ttheyb are exclusively a POP band?
 
You haven't heard:
  1. Styx
  2. Styx II
  3. The Serpant is Rising

This first three are 80% or 90% Prog (If tthey were 100% they would be in a Prog Genre not in Prog Related), they even released Movement for a Common Man 5 years before ELP did it.

Neither you have heard:
  1. Man of Miracles
  2. Equinox
  3. Crystakl Ball

This three albums are more mainstream oriented but still they keep a healthy balance between Prog ansd mainstream, even The Grabnd Illusion has really Prog tracks as Fooling Yourself.

You can't judge Styx exclusively in Come sail Away, Babe and Mr Robotto, that's like the guys who say "Hey Kansas was an AOR band" but they only heard "Dust in the Wind" and maybe "Point of Know Return" (The song, because Closet Chronicles, He Knew, Hopelessly Human, etc, are full Prog tracks).
 
Nobody can give a atetment as strong as "No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop" unless he has heard a representative number of albums that cover all the eras of the band,mainly when this band is 35 years old and has changed radically during their long lasting career.
 
Iván
 
 


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop
 
Have you heard their firstb three albums?
 
If you don't believe they are Prog, well I don't get what Prog is.
 
Iván
 
No I didn't . I had only "Grand illusions" and "Paradise theatre" as a vinyls and best of on CD.
 
Then Pero, how can you say ttheyb are exclusively a POP band?
 
You haven't heard:
  1. Styx
  2. Styx II
  3. The Serpant is Rising

This first three are 80% or 90% Prog (If tthey were 100% they would be in a Prog Genre not in Prog Related), they even released Movement for a Common Man 5 years before ELP did it.

Neither you have heard:
  1. Man of Miracles
  2. Equinox
  3. Crystakl Ball

This three albums are more mainstream oriented but still they keep a healthy balance between Prog ansd mainstream, even The Grabnd Illusion has really Prog tracks as Fooling Yourself.

You can't judge Styx exclusively in Come sail Away, Babe and Mr Robotto, that's like the guys who say "Hey Kansas was an AOR band" but they only heard "Dust in the Wind" and maybe "Point of Know Return" (The song, because Closet Chronicles, He Knew, Hopelessly Human, etc, are full Prog tracks).
 
Nobody can give a atetment as strong as "No, Styx are not prog-pop, they are only pop" unless he has heard a representative number of albums that cover all the eras of the band,mainly when this band is 35 years old and has changed radically during their long lasting career.
 
Iván
 
 

Don't forget Far Beyond These Castle Walls & Man in the Wilderness from Grand Illusion, Lord of the Rings from Pieces of Eight, and special mention of Suite Madame Blue on Equinox.
Too many times, popular bands are debased because some folks here exhibit a belief that commercial success somehow is not compatible with a progressive attitude or approach to music (see Rush, Dream Theater, Collins-era Genesis, 80s Yes, ELO,Pink FLoyd).

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Well, I'm perusing the forum here and might as well make a few enemies.
 
I've heard some of the early stuff -- I owned the first album but who knows where it is now.  If we are to consider Styx as a prog band, based on the early albums, then surely they would have to rank amongst the worst.  At least they became competent when they went AOR.


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