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eon_ 
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 Posted: August 22 2007 at 14:28 |
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Well to the post "Cannot get into Tool" I would recommend you to try to get into other band, after all you don't HAVE to like a band in particular it's all a matter of taste as someone already said.
Their haven't been a band in history that appeals to everyone so what's the problem?
Prog bands are hard to get into, so there is another reason why Tool is prog..lol
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Spiral out, keep going...
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chamberry
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 18:17 |
Can't get into Tool? Too bad, but you can check out the 123254264364574535424234 bands that you still haven't listened to. 
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ian picken
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 11:48 |
Went to see TOOL at brixton last night, i have seen them several times now and its a shame you was not there cos they would of blown you away. Great sound, great stage show with lasers and awesome projections, just brilliant, they are good on cd but so much better live. 
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Dim
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 14:29 |
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there.
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dralan
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 19:21 |
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I do like Tool and I have alot of respect for them as musicians , but I do see where you are coming from. I was really into them when they first came out with Opiate and then Undertow, but after that they seemed to kind of stall out on ideas, rehasing the same old tired lumbering riffs with the dark, mysterious lyric thing going on. I myself never really thought of them as "prog" per se either. The latest album offers up no new ideas or change of direction. Seems they are comfotable standing pat with a proven formula.
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Dean
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:02 |
Any band who dedicates an album to Bill Hicks has got to be worth the extra effort needed to get into them 
Seriously, as others have said, if you don't like a band, it's fine, move on, there are plenty of other bands to listen too. Liking Tool isn't obligatory for your enjoyment of prog.
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What?
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:07 |
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I like their strange sort of...psychedelic ambient/pop-metal thing that they do, very unique. I hated it at first, but after many listens I grew to appreciate 10,000 days. Of course, I'm not a massive fan, and still have only heard the 1 album. When I get Lateralus, who knows, maybe I'll stop liking them.
But continue to check out other bands, and continue to try Tool every now and then if you get the time: often after many listens, a band will click. My only advice is don't put pressure on yourself to enjoy any band.
Edited by Shakespeare - August 23 2007 at 20:13
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:14 |
 schizoid_man77 wrote:
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there. |
They have turned into videos?!?!?!
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Dean
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:26 |
Shakespeare wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
^Hmmm...
they're videos on youtube suck, I guess you just have to be there. |
They have turned into videos?!?!?!
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have another LOLy 
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 20:34 |
Sure, I'll have another Lolly. 
Edited by Shakespeare - August 23 2007 at 20:35
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tubey
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 18:30 |
Ok, I am not sure why I am posting to this thread but I have debated on it for some time and the only thing that I can come up with in my somewhat small mind is this: the reason why we're all here is because we're all BIG fans of prog and prog is like a HUGE buffet line with all kinds of tasty stuff for us to fill our plates and our bellys. Prog is SOOOO huge that I must rely on the kind folks here who post in and suggest things to try. I must admit, I've heard one song by Tool and to tell you the truth, I can't begin to say which one, so by asking me that question, I would stare dumbfoundly at you. It was a morsel I thought I wouldn't put on my plate but it went down pretty good. Are they my favorite band? Honestly, no because I must hear some more 'afore I go placing my 'yea' or 'nay' on the group. That is why I hang out here at the Prog buffet because it has been my good fortune that there has been some kind soul to tell me, 'if you like this, try a bit of that.' And sometimes the taste isn't what I expected. But, that's okay because I made an effort to try it.
Different strokes for different folks. If you don't like Tool, great. Find another band to try. If you do, great. Continue to support them by attending their shows and buying their CDs. I can honestly say that I am blessed that there are bands like Tool writing, recording and playing the music they believe in. Even though I may not have heard any of their music or maybe just one song, I am blessed to know there are souls out there digging 'em. 
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Dim
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 20:02 |
tubey wrote:
Ok, I am not sure why I am posting to this thread but I have debated on it for some time and the only thing that I can come up with in my somewhat small mind is this: the reason why we're all here is because we're all BIG fans of prog and prog is like a HUGE buffet line with all kinds of tasty stuff for us to fill our plates and our bellys. Prog is SOOOO huge that I must rely on the kind folks here who post in and suggest things to try. I must admit, I've heard one song by Tool and to tell you the truth, I can't begin to say which one, so by asking me that question, I would stare dumbfoundly at you. It was a morsel I thought I wouldn't put on my plate but it went down pretty good. Are they my favorite band? Honestly, no because I must hear some more 'afore I go placing my 'yea' or 'nay' on the group. That is why I hang out here at the Prog buffet because it has been my good fortune that there has been some kind soul to tell me, 'if you like this, try a bit of that.' And sometimes the taste isn't what I expected. But, that's okay because I made an effort to try it.
Different strokes for different folks. If you don't like Tool, great. Find another band to try. If you do, great. Continue to support them by attending their shows and buying their CDs. I can honestly say that I am blessed that there are bands like Tool writing, recording and playing the music they believe in. Even though I may not have heard any of their music or maybe just one song, I am blessed to know there are souls out there digging 'em.
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Well put
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evilromero
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Posted: August 25 2007 at 23:18 |
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Zarec
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 11:46 |
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iīve only read the first post of this thread and hereīs how i see things. Tool has never been a TRUE prog band but , in stead, it has always been a very creative one. in my opinion a band passes to prog rock when that particular band, in this case Tool, transforms itīs root genre, in this case grunge (or alternative metal for some) into something far more complex regardless of the level of melodicity. Tool has a complex intelctual backgroud that focuses on psychology and that complexity is reflected in their music. The composition of each album from 96 till the present is rather unique not to mention that as a metal band they pay to the bass just as much attention as they pay to the guitar. generaly in metal the bass is used only for sharpening the sound.
tool is not melodical but it is very creative.
the comparation with slipknot is a bit absurd because slipknot is an agressive metal band that doesnīt persue any subliminal music (in spite of the title of their last full-lengh album).
the main element in the music of slipknot is rhythm. The band features a great drumer (the only good musician in the band), joey jordison, and two other percusionsits while Tool doesnīt really want to achieve intensity through rhythm but through amasing bass and guitar compositions lead by subtile vocals.
Edited by Zarec - August 26 2007 at 11:46
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: August 26 2007 at 12:56 |
darqdean wrote:
Any band who dedicates an album to Bill Hicks has got to be worth the extra effort needed to get into them
Seriously, as others have said, if you don't like a band, it's fine, move on, there are plenty of other bands to listen too. Liking Tool isn't obligatory for your enjoyment of prog. |
Radiohead dedicated The Bends in memory of Bill Hicks also, this thread = 
Edited by heyitsthatguy - August 26 2007 at 12:56
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Peter
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Posted: August 27 2007 at 00:10 |
Nor can I -- but what of it?
I don't think there's anyone here who enjoys EVERY band listed on PA. 
(As it's collected here, "prog" is very diverse -- not really one genre.)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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hobbified
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 06:40 |
ProgBagel wrote:
And cut the crap out of lyrical content...their just high beyond belief. I love when people try to make sense of their lyrics.
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Now this one I find downright silly. Now I'm not one of those fools who thinks that those guys don't do drugs or write about drugs (some people will come up with all manner of ridiculous explanations) but Tool is a long way from standard stoner fare. Meaning isn't that hard to locate -- quite a few Tool songs have lyrics that are one of two types: easy to understand right off the bat (most of the "angry" stuff really), and easy to understand if you've done a little homework (hint: try Jung first).
As to Tool's "prog cred" -- well honestly I don't care, I just enjoy listening. But let's stack it up. Hella sonic layering: definitely. Vocals: yep. Maynard is a respectable singer (which seems pretty rare these days) but he can scream pretty effectively too. Phrasing: pushing the limit every day (who else is going to get away with "and if I say I might fade like a sigh if I stay, you minimize my movement anyway, I must persuade you another way" ? Besides the awesome way it plays against the rhythm, that's some sort of a compound-complex sentence or other.)
And then there's the fact that Tool consistently reminds me of Floyd, and listening to one puts me in a mood for the other...
Edited by hobbified - February 02 2008 at 06:43
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toolis
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 07:17 |
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it took me 7 months to get into Tool.. now, they are my fave band...
i am still discovering new things about their work.. the most recent was that the order of the tracks in Lateralus is not what appears to be on the CD!!!
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 07:40 |
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This is a problem? Why?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Samir
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 14:00 |
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A band that i cannot get into as well, but maybe later.
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Cannot get into Tool
.....OK, just ignore these aspects of the bands, and all will be hunky-dory. 
