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I recommend Bossk as a great post-metal band.  I've seen them live a few times too.  Wonderful band.
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Originally posted by LeInsomniac LeInsomniac wrote:

About Zappa i can tell you this, start with Overnite-sensations and from on then if you like what you hear its up to you. 


I believe ONE SIZE FITS ALL would be a better bet. Not only is it stronger and more varied than OVERNITE SENSATION, it's also one of the true symphonic prog masterpieces, easily on the same level as CLOSE TO THE EDGE or FOXTROT, and overlooked ONLY because Zappa's mainly known (rightly or wrongly) as an avant-rock composer. You're bound to like OSFA - and after that you can let our reviews section guide you!
As for that Canterbury Top 10: it's simply astonishing!!! Sometimes Mojo do get things right.
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Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Meshuggah is BRUTAL, so if you dont like death metal and thrash then stay away. The music is verry dissonant with no sence of melody, however they make up for it in the rythm department where complicated polly rhythms are churned out of blasting doubble bass madness. People often compart them to Tool, but beware they sound nothing alike.

 

edit: I is generally considered their best work, its probably best to start there, or with the latter albums as the earlyer ones are even more dissonant and unrelenting


Originally posted by glass house glass house wrote:

More on Meshuggah; imagine brutal staccato like riffs and all of a sudden it stops and goes into a grazy jazz like solo. After that more grazy riffs. The vocals are unbelievable strong.  He sort of roars more then sings Big%20smile. I've seen them live and they were very very good.
 

Just listen to the Future Breed Machine stream of their Destroy Erase Improve cd and you'll get the drift.


Thanks guys, I'll try to get a hold of I and try out the mp3 stream.

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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Niki, do you want to know the history of the Canterbury Scene, or which albums to start with in your listening journey?

Mojo Magazine have just had a top ten Canterbury Scene buyers guide in their recent addition.




A very good list. here's mine.

10.Caravan - If I Could Do it All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
9. Egg - Civil Surface
8. Supersister  -  Present for Nancy
7. Gong - You
6. Picchio dal Pozzo - St
5. Cos - Postaolean Train Robbery
4. National Health - St
3. Soft Machine - Third
2. Hatfield and the North - Rotters' Club
1. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom

Now, can anyone tell me where to start with Ruins? Heard the stuff on Myspace, which was ok. I suspect they can be better.
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Now, can anyone tell me where to start with Ruins? Heard the stuff on Myspace, which was ok. I suspect they can be better.
 
I got Hyderomastgroningem and I think it's really a masterpiece. And the audio quality is really good too. Because of the sample on this PA, I really wanted "Burning Stones" and I finally got it from eBay. It's not as intense as Hydero. I also got the Live 2000 but the sound is not very good.
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I bought "Six Litanies For Heliogabalus" from JOHN ZORN yesterday. Goddammit! And I tought Meshuggah was intense! It's just really crazy. I got it because of "Disco Volante" (Patton make voices on both). Now Mr.Bungle sound like a gentle band.
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I`ve tried to find this out through a number of sources including this site for years. Does anybody out there know what happened to guitar wizard Houschang Nejadepour after his 6 month stint  with Guru Guru in`74?
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Originally posted by Dieu Dieu wrote:

I bought "Six Litanies For Heliogabalus" from JOHN ZORN yesterday. Goddammit! And I tought Meshuggah was intense! It's just really crazy. I got it because of "Disco Volante" (Patton make voices on both). Now Mr.Bungle sound like a gentle band.
Amazing isn't it, I have yet to hear a bad composition from Zorn, and I have heard his jazz, rock, grindcore, classical, and cartoon music. He is trully the Zappa of the age.
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Originally posted by Dieu Dieu wrote:

I bought "Six Litanies For Heliogabalus" from JOHN ZORN yesterday. Goddammit! And I tought Meshuggah was intense! It's just really crazy. I got it because of "Disco Volante" (Patton make voices on both). Now Mr.Bungle sound like a gentle band.
 
Now try The Director's Cut by Fantomas, Patton gets extreme and you will find how great feels to be shocked with some familiar tunes.
 
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Hmm, never would have pegged Ivan for a Patton fan, but hey, the more the merrier.
 
This is a good thread.Now I've got to try John Zorn, Red Sparrowes, Sigur Ros, and the Canterbury Scene. Nice idea, HT
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Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by LeInsomniac LeInsomniac wrote:

About Zappa i can tell you this, start with Overnite-sensations and from on then if you like what you hear its up to you. 


I believe ONE SIZE FITS ALL would be a better bet. Not only is it stronger and more varied than OVERNITE SENSATION, it's also one of the true symphonic prog masterpieces, easily on the same level as CLOSE TO THE EDGE or FOXTROT, and overlooked ONLY because Zappa's mainly known (rightly or wrongly) as an avant-rock composer. You're bound to like OSFA - and after that you can let our reviews section guide you!
As for that Canterbury Top 10: it's simply astonishing!!! Sometimes Mojo do get things right.
 
I would also recommend Roxy and Elsewhere to the mix for a starter.  It has a wide variety of styles, some really funny skits and in my opinion Zappa's best band.  A very good collection to start off in.


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I have a task, sadly I can’t do it today, maybe somebody will be able.

 

I Added the album One World Tapestry – Progressive Rock Around the World some days ago, it’s a sampler album for charity purpose.

 

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=15899

 

This album has a lot of Prog Folk artists, that I don’t know if all are in Prog Archives, maybe somebody could check if some are missing and better if knows something about some of them so Sean can add more musicians.

 

IMHO the album is outstanding and there’s lot of good music.

 

1.     Waak Waak Jungi (Australia)

2.     In The Labyrinth (Swden)

3.     Jose Luis Fernandez Ledesma (Mexico)

4.     Steve Warner (Australia)

5.     Steve Unruh (USA)

6.     Topeka (USA)

7.     Wiermann & Vogel (Quaterna Requiem) (Brazil)

8.     Ensemble Nimbus (Sweden)

9.     Styrbjorn Bergelt & Roland Hakansson (Sweden)

10. Vital Duo (France)

11.  Attila Kollar (Hungary)

12. Robert Erdesz (Hungary)

13. Brainstorm (Australia)

14.  Pocos & Nuvens (Brazil)

     15. Sabah Habas Mustapha & Jugala All Stars (Germany/Indonesia)
 

The ones in red are here, the others I haven’t checked.

 

Thanks

 

Iván



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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dieu Dieu wrote:

I bought "Six Litanies For Heliogabalus" from JOHN ZORN yesterday. Goddammit! And I tought Meshuggah was intense! It's just really crazy. I got it because of "Disco Volante" (Patton make voices on both). Now Mr.Bungle sound like a gentle band.
 
Now try The Director's Cut by Fantomas, Patton gets extreme and you will find how great feels to be shocked with some familiar tunes.
 
Iván

Actually Iván, John Zorn's Crowley trilogy (Moonchild, Astronome and Six Litanies...) are the best wordless vocals performances from Patton, in my opinion. Listening to the chocking effects on Astronome or his "solo" in Six Litanies is something quite impressive (in a weird way, of course).



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@ Ivan,
 
The following are here:
     2.     In The Labyrinth (Swden)

5.     Steve Unruh (USA) (released a new album recently)

7.     Wiermann & Vogel (Quaterna Requiem) (Brazil) Well, Quaterna are here, so I'm not sure what to make of this. Is this a seperate group?

10. Vital Duo (France) (nice medieval folk)

13. Brainstorm (Australia)

  
 
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Originally posted by Dieu Dieu wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


Now, can anyone tell me where to start with Ruins? Heard the stuff on Myspace, which was ok. I suspect they can be better.
 
I got Hyderomastgroningem and I think it's really a masterpiece.


Thanks! I'll try and find it. They got some great song and albumtitles. Have loved every other bandproject Tatsuya Yoshida (I've heard) has been involved in.
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Then I guess we have many unfamiliar Folk bands to check or receive information about if somebody is familiar, if I'm not wrong we don't have in Prog Archives:
 
1.     Waak Waak Jungi (Australia)
2.     Jose Luis Fernandez Ledesma (Mexico)
3.     Steve Warner (Australia)
4.     Styrbjorn Bergelt & Roland Hakansson (Sweden)
5.     Robert Erdesz (Hungary) -I know he played in Solaris with Attilla Kollar-
6. Sabah Habas Mustapha & Jugala All Stars (Germany/Indonesia)
 
So probably we have six Prog Folk certified bands from the Musea rooster that could be added.
 
The next step would be to invite Sean to this thread and see if somebody knows about this bands (I will PM him tonight),
 
That would be a great achievement for a thread that started to discover unknown bands and a help to Sean who has to deal alone with Prog Folk.
 
Any volunteer to search?
 
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Das Anekdoten? Gewde stuphs? Describe das muzics, please. I have no idea what they sound like, what kind of music fan they will appeal to, et cetera. Would be appreciated. 
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Iván,

I have a Jose Luis Fernandez Ledesma Q album.  I've not heard it yet, but he was in the Mexican prog-folk band Nirgal Vallis.

The album I have (Sol Central) of his is in partnership with Margarita Botello and is actually an RIO/Avant-Prog album.  Apparently the rest of his output is more prog-folk.


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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dieu Dieu wrote:

I bought "Six Litanies For Heliogabalus" from JOHN ZORN yesterday. Goddammit! And I tought Meshuggah was intense! It's just really crazy. I got it because of "Disco Volante" (Patton make voices on both). Now Mr.Bungle sound like a gentle band.
 
Now try The Director's Cut by Fantomas, Patton gets extreme and you will find how great feels to be shocked with some familiar tunes.
 
Iván

Actually Iván, John Zorn's Crowley trilogy (Moonchild, Astronome and Six Litanies...) are the best wordless vocals performances from Patton, in my opinion. Listening to the chocking effects on Astronome or his "solo" in Six Litanies is something quite impressive (in a weird way, of course).

Couldn't agree more. PAtton does everything humanly (and inhumanly) ossible with his vocal cords on Litany IV. Fantomas and even Mr. Bungle sound tame in comparison to that album Clap
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Maybe somebody is interested to search as James, so here is the info provided in the album about this artists as a first step:
 
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1.     Waak Waak Jungi emerged from cultural exchanges between artists and musicians from Ramingining, in north-east Arnhem Land and Christmas Hills, in rural Victoria.

"Through nearly twenty years of contact, this diverse group has evolved into a dynamic musical force - embracing the indigenous and white aspects of shared culture.

"For the members of Waak Waak Jungi, this exchange has taken the form of musical collaboration, resulting in stunning performances and recordings."

"All Gone" is from Crow Fire Music

2.     Jose Luis Fernandez is one of those amazing performers who are capable of continuously transforming their style. In that way, each of the albums that have ever been released by Jose Luis sounds very fresh, at least," writes Vitaly Menshikov of Progressor.net of Ledesma's sixth album Al Filo. This Mexican keyboardist got his start in the band Nirgal Vallis, releasing one album, Ymurio La Tarde.

The first release under his own name was 1991's Universos Imaginarios, followed in 1992 by Evos Luz. It wasn't until 1996 that a third album, Motivos Para Perderse was released (though he joined Alquimia on 1996's Lenguas Muertas in between). This was followed by 1997's Extractos, about which E-Prog's Mark Fonda writes "[T]his is a fabulous orchestral, pastoral, symphonic and multi-faceted endeavor... along the lines of After Crying from Hungary or Hecenia from France... ". 2000 saw two releases, Sol Central and Dicen Que Somos Dioses Y Nos Sonamos Hombres. 2002 saw the release of Al Filo, and in 2003, Designios. On most releases, Margarita Botello has joined him on vocals, synths and percussion. 

3.     Steve Warner (Australia): Living on Australia’s southern coast, on Port Phillip Bay, Steve’s music reflects the inner life and the natural world - especially the sea.

His first, self-titled album from 1974 was recorded on the southern island of Tasmania. It’s complex textures and harmonies, built up layer upon layer, were created with Steve singing and playing all instruments. The songs are reflective and fragile.

His most recent album Sketches Of Paradise shows a marked change in approach. He plays guitar, guitar, and more acoustic guitar and invites many of his favourite musicians - from Melbourne’s rich multi-cultural scene - along for the ride. Players from the jazz scene, from the acoustic/gypsy tradition and from the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra work seamlessly together. The music is outgoing and optimistic but rooted deeply and firmly in a broad musical life. It’s Latin, African, Carribean … it even drifts dreamily into an Eric Satie inspired piece, then back again … it’s an exciting mix.

4.     Styrbjorn Bergelt & Roland Hakansson: Styrbjörn Bergelt has since the mid-seventies recorded five albums featuring medieval and traditional folk music. He is also known for bringing a revival to the bowed harp.

"Tolv Man" (i.e., Twelve Men) refers to the old legend of "Twelve Thieves In The Forest," also applying to the idea of a bear having the strength of twelve men put together. This track has been lifted off Styrbjörn Bergelt's and Roland Hĺkansson's album Randalin, which was released by MNW on vinyl in 1986. The intention was to combine ancient Nordic instruments such as bowed harp with synthesizers and contemporary equipment.

For more information about Styrbjörn, check into: www.tongang.se/katalog/bildbirka.html & viking.hgo.se/Books/Music.html; Styrbjörn Bergelt passed away in February 2006.

5.     Robert Erdesz: Róbert Erdész is the keyboardist with Hungarian progressive rock band Solaris, a band named for a Stanislaw Lem novel that got its start in 1980, releasing in 1984 their debut album The Martian Chronicles (a title taken from another SF author, Ray Bradbury). Though the band went their separate ways by the early 1990s, they were reunited by agreeing to perform at Progfest 1995. They later performed at the Rio Art Rock Festival. Guitarist Istvan Cziglan died in 1998, but can be heard on the band's second album, released in 1999, Nostradamus

In 2000 Erdész released Meeting Point a progressive world music CD that featured fellow Solaris members Attila Kollŕr on flutes, tambourine and vocals, Lŕszlň Gömör on drums, as well as Jŕnos Varga and Péter Gerendŕs on guitars, Ferenc Muck on saxophone, Ŕron Eredics on tambourine, Mihŕly Borbely on hautbois, Tamŕs Erdesz on mouth harp, and Mŕrta Sebestyen, Zsuzsa Ullmann, Ildokň Keresztes, Emil Tňth, and György Bňdi Varga on vocals.

6. Sabah Habas Mustapha & the Jugala Allstars is lead by bassist and vocalist Sabah Habas, also known from 3 Mustaphas 3 (and known in progressive rock circles as Colin Bass). The first release by Sabah Habas was 1994's Denpasar Moon, which featured top Jakartan artists in the Dangdut Music scene. In 1997, Jalan Kopo was released and included those would soon become the Jugala AllStars: Ismet Ruchimat on kacapi (a zither like instrument), Agus Supriawan on khendang (a "double-headed drum played with hands and feet, together with three smaller drums known as ketipung."), Asep Maung on suling (a bamboo flute) and Yadi Pituek on violin. Later Tetti Yani Mugiono joined on vocals and Zenir on khendang with the release of the third album So La Li in 1999. So La Li "was voted one of the best albums of 2000 in Froots magazine (UK) and led to the nomination of the group for the BBC Radio 3 Awards for World Music (Asia/Pacific category) in 2001. The Jugala Allstars embarked on their first European tour in June 2001 including appearances at the Roskilde Festival in Denmark and the Rudolstadt Festival in Germany."
 
 
 
Maybe this could lead to additions?
 
Any volunteer to search?
 
Iván
 
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