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Poll Question: Which Album Bears The Most Blame For Killing Prog?
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    Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:06
So which album is the one that made you finally realize that prog was dead?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:07
Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 
So I pick none of them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:11
Gah! You have a few good albums there, I.E. The Wall, and Discipline! If I may quote "Curse ya' fer breathin ya' slapshot idiot!"

Heh, but since I believe you mean the first wave of prog, I'd have to go 90125. I found it one day about a year ago, listened to it and gagged. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:16
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 
So I pick none of them.

Word.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:22
Interesting idea here!Clap But I beg to differ on your choices.
 
 
The first four on your list look like the perfect culprits. You may want to include all of Curved Air and most of the post Carnegie Hall Renaissance albums.
 
Thhe next few are from the 80's and prog was already in a coma, so they don't count.
 
 
 
 
 
The Wall and ATOTT are not top be put in such a list, though
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:27
DISCIPLINE? A TRICK OF THE TAIL? No way!

I must admit doubt starting creeping in with GOING FOR THE ONE, WIND AND WUTHERING and STORMWATCH, though...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:28
Don't be silly.  No album killed Prog because it is still alive.
 
However, Punk damaged Prog's reputation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:31
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 
So I pick none of them.

Word.


Yeah... word
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 12:55
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 

So I pick none of them.


Agree. Prog is alive and it's kicking
I know what I like and I like what I know...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:03
We first generation prog fan will argue but  many will tell you Topographic Oceans provided plentiful ammunition to the anti-prog brigade - it is hard to argue with the Clash's charge that when inner city deprevation, unemployment, 3 days weeks were common, what did ToTO means to the average teeenager) , combined by the touring excesses of ELP in 1974-6 , combined with many of the first generation bands running out of innovative ideas (that made them attractive in the first place) and several disbanding. But prog didn't die, it either went underground in the UK or moved to a new address off-shore from the UK - although the neo-prog bands appeared and provided the presence above ground.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:12
The very fact people of all ages are still discussing prog to this day show it never did die- I'd argue it's now in its best health for some time, with Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater and Rush faring reasonably well in the UK album charts for the first time in years (and in some cases, ever). This would imply that there is a greater audience for prog than there has been for years- perhaps an audience that has tired of the dull, NME-hyped indie bands that are de rigeur at the moment (I tried to move with the times and bought various Strokes/Libertines etc. albums and I was just deflated and disappointed with all of them).
 
However, the album which damaged prog's reputation the most? I've posted many a time that I like TFTO (though I readily accept it's not perfect and that there are flaws) and it's a LONG way from Yes' poorest, imho, but the candidates I always reach for in the 'worst excesses of prog' category are 'A Passion Play' and 'Works Volume 1'. I cannot find a memorable hook on APP no matter how many times I play it (and don't get me started on that '...Spectacles' thing!!) and even the title of 'Works Volume 1' is pompous! The solo material is, imho, well below the band's usual standard, and really it doesn't justify the album's double album length. Spectacles such as Rick Wakeman's 'King Arthur on ice' extravaganza/folly probably didn't help, either.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:31
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 

So I pick none of them.


I second that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:31
Good idea for a poll.
 
One album didn't kill 70s prog, but I would argue that there were albums that severly wounded it, some more than others.
 
My vote goes to "Love Beach." I don't think prog ever fully recovered from the mortifying embarassment of that release. Something was definitely wrong with prog ethos at this point, as later lps by other bands would bear out. In hindsight, it wasn't all that bad, but at the time, it was hard to envision a viable direction for prog; Fripp was about the only guy taking it forward in a serious, uncompromising way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:39
IMHO, GFTO and Works I were still powerful prog albums. It's pretty clear that the quality was still there. Granted it was different than the bands' earlier stuff, but it still succeed as good prob. The bands were exploring new ground (they had to), but the lps worked as good music.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:54
How about "forget th bullocks, heres the sex pistols"
 
Punk killed prog, not prog. Punk was music answer to music. Rebellious, sloppy, moshy freaks who dont know how to sing, play guitar/ bass, but they an play drums really fast, but with ZERO fills.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 13:56
Prog is still alive, so nothing killed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:04
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

How about "forget th bullocks, heres the sex pistols"
 
Punk killed prog, not prog. Punk was music answer to music. Rebellious, sloppy, moshy freaks who dont know how to sing, play guitar/ bass, but they an play drums really fast, but with ZERO fills.
 
You know, I think 60 & 70s prog just evolved to the point where it was becoming repetitive or too esoteric. In my opinion, it was a natural evolution of an artistic style. I don't think anything "killed" it; it was death by natural causes. Prog had a great life, and its offshoots (neo prog and prog metal) have great lives too, I guess (not really being a fan, I'm just assuming).
 
But prog's death throes were rather amusing in a perverse sort of way (that's why this poll is so amusing). Of course the legacy lives on; I'm still listening to it, but its creative lifespan is over and has been for over 25 years.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:24
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Prog isn't dead,but alive and kicking.
 

So I pick none of them.


I second that.

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Me too, i love many albums and bands from the "so hated "80´s and later ones, so i couldn´t vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:27
Maybe this would have made a much better discussion thread than a prog poll.
 
Of course I specifically meant something along the lines of which album was most iconic of the decline and fall of the first wave of prog, but that's not a very sexy title, is it?
 
I was trying to get representation from most major bands, hence a couple of albums that don't really seem to belong.
 
The thing that came across most clearly when I was choosing albums was that the decline tended to be a gradual thing spread across two to four albums for nearly all groups.  I put up what I thought were the lowest points, for the most part (there's an exception or two).
 
I appreciate all of the comments and would like to see more of them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2007 at 14:56
Prog might have been on the respirator for some years, but it never died.  And you know the old saying : what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
 
So I won't vote, as prog WILL NEVER DIE !!!
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