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Points: 497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 20:30
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by twilight_mage twilight_mage wrote:

It makes me sad and furious Angry, that some noise makers, like lacrimosa, are in progarchives!!!!!! I think this page was made for us, the prog lovers, not the gothic punks!!!! this is very disapointing, that noise makers do not belong here!!!!!! how they could....?? Cry this was my favorite page, but now I dont know if i can find good prog in this pages, because I realize that is plagued with those noise makers.... Cry 

Could you explain how Lacrimosa are "noise makers"?

 

I cannot see how that phrase can apply to them: there is no discordancy their music - its not as if they are playing symphonic black metal or grindcore. The music they make is symphonic to a degree in that they make heavy use of string arrangements and programming, but it is also melodic, ethereal, complex and multilayered. Although they are considerably less 'metal' than many of the Progressive-metal bands listed here, when they do hit-metal they rock with more orignality than most (some of the guitar solos are the sweetest ever recorded - pure bliss IMHO) and it is still Progressive Metal by the accepted definition (and not just another Dream Theater clone).

 

Tilo Wolff's vocals are about the only gothic sounding element about them, and to be fair, he is not that different to some of the Krautrock vocalists in style, but you cannot argue with the beauty of Anne Nurmi's vocals surely.

 

If you are going to be negative, you have to be more specific - what is it exactly that you do not like about Lacrimosa that makes them unworthy of a listing in the PA?

  

(I'm also struggling with the phrase "gothic punks", but that's another issue) Evil%20Smile


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Points: 9 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 21:19
well whatever... I dont like them, but the website has to grown bigger, even with that....
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2007 at 21:24
I'm confused by your incoherent post, but at the time time I can't summon the will to care. Whoever they are, I don't think they are "noise" once compared to the avant-garde.
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I spend more time trying to find stuff I like than dwelling on the bands on here I don't like.  Makes for a much happier boy!Big%20smile
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lacrimosa have been shopped around various progressive eZines and
fanZines for almost 15 years (think SRM and EMPIRE in europe).
not that i care much for their stuff but i guess that they have a secure place here.

furthermore, we are currently seeing a surge of operatic pomp
metal being drawn into the archive, which i am not too keen on –
but each to their own, i guess, and it's not my decision anyway

we – including myself – should all just lighten up a little.
there's plenty of good stuff to discover here.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

I spend more time trying to find stuff I like than dwelling on the bands on here I don't like.  Makes for a much happier boy!Big%20smile
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Well said indeed.
I'm glad to see that people seem to have matured since i left here over a year ago. I was posts that began like this that drove me away: anti-women posts and posts that whine about any bands that they dont think are prog that are on the collection.
Take my ex-bf for example who introduced me to here: obviously has good taste but he's a pessimistic little unwise whiney git actually (or WAS anyhoo)... I remember searching his name and coming up with some hate comments from him against Radiohead. It's not that I like Radiohead (although I do very much and have since I was 14) but it was the way he went about things.
it you don't like it- don't LISTEn to it people!
Better to keep your mouth shut than openly attack people on such a matter of opinion.
But here's the thing: there'll be no HIP HOP in progarchives. THAT is what matters.
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^, ^^ and ^^^: Agreed.

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for what its worth i dont really like hard rock or metal music but i do respect the drummers that play it.  so in short a few years back i got called to do the Smashing Pumpkins gig when the drummer had his thing going on.    Well it ended up the day before I was suppose to leave they got Kenny Arnoff instead.  Moral of the story is if your going to be a pro drummer for a living get ready.  Not only does you playing have to be verstile but so does your look.  I would have shaved my head, pierced my lip and got a few extra tats if the money is right.  Adapt dude, dont be narrow minded. 
 
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Speaking of noise, whoever is responsible for those annoying i-pod ads with audio should have their music taken away and be forced to  listen to that ad in a loop until their head explodes.Wacko
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 12:50
Originally posted by twilight_mage twilight_mage wrote:

well whatever... I dont like them, but the website has to grown bigger, even with that....
You don't like them, I can accept that - there are some bands here I do not like too. Yet Lacrimosa make you angry enough to decry them in two seperate threads for being "noise makers" and stating categorically that they do not belong here, yet ... whatever...
 
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Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Keep it up and Merzbow is next. ;)
 
Well, he is the prog of noise I guess!! LOL
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^ no, that would be Orthrelm (they have a full sample track available for download)! 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ no, that would be Orthrelm (they have a full sample track available for download)! 

OV is one of the best songs I've heard! I'll even call it groundbreaking (and almost humanly impossible, IMO)

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Points: 21319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:37
^ I wouldn't exactly call it a song ... there is no melody. Basically two short riffs looped over and over again, or am I missing something?
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Points: 4702 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:41
Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Keep it up and Merzbow is next. ;)


Well, if Faust is here already...
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Points: 9008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 15:47
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I wouldn't exactly call it a song ... there is no melody. Basically two short riffs looped over and over again, or am I missing something?

Actually that's it. A 45 minute song that's based on repetition of several riffs. Once the first five minutes of riffs end another different riff will keep repeating itself until another different riff takes its place and so on. It's very odd and surprising at the same time, but I enjoy it.

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Points: 65480 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2007 at 18:13
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:


I'll even call it groundbreaking (and almost humanly impossible, IMO)


they are absolutely groundbreaking.. and highly skilled. And no Mike you're not missing something







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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by twilight_mage twilight_mage wrote:

It makes me sad and furious Angry, that some noise makers, like lacrimosa, are in progarchives!!!!!! I think this page was made for us, the prog lovers, not the gothic punks!!!! this is very disapointing, that noise makers do not belong here!!!!!! how they could....?? Cry this was my favorite page, but now I dont know if i can find good prog in this pages, because I realize that is plagued with those noise makers.... Cry 


pffff..... easy.... quit listening and caring about that modern sh*t and tune into thisLOL

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36487

plenty of great prog in these pages...


LOL Clap Now that's what i'd call sound advice.
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You think that's noise.... wait til I get Wolf Eyes on here! Wink
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