We -need- progressive rap.

The Doctor wrote: No.  We do not need progressive rap.  That would lead to prog gangstas, turf wars between the artists.  Could you imagine Jon Anderson doing a drive-by of Peter Gabriel's house?  The lyrics would become nothing more than talking about what a great band they are, the sexual prowess of its members, and how the other bands suck and are gonna get shot up.  Let's not forget the anger directed toward the police for just doing their job and arresting scumbags.  No, progressive rap would lead to a massive deterioration of the art form into nothing more than a feeding ground for the bottom feeders of the world.

Ty 1020 answered:

A good way to tell if you know anything about rap: if you actually think "gangstas" and that sort of thing are part of the genre, then no, you don't know anything about it.

Ty 1020 saoid again:

If you ever do some research on what the rap genre is actually like and want to continue this discussion afterwards, I'd be glad to

Well, I'm doing the research and guess what I found, Con Safo mentioned in his list of great Rappers a  N°1 a guy named Immortal Technique, let's see his background:

Compiling multiple assault charges in New York State and in other states eventually caught up to the uncompromisingly hardheaded actions of one Immortal Technique. He faced several charges for Aggravated Assault in the tri-state area. Realizing his inevitable incarceration... .......He was facing a 5-10 stretch, but the hiring of a pittbull attorney helped him compile the cases without turning snitch like his co-defendants. The result was a 1-2 year sentence in the mountains, 6 hours away from the city. Taken from his web page in Viper Records

Is there any difference with mainstream Rappers, please, the guy is a convicted criminal.

• Does he have musical studies.....NO
  
• Is he virtuoso in any instrument....NO
  
• Does he even plays instruments...NO
  
• Where did he learned to Rap.....In Prison, after he recieved a soft condemn due to tecnicalities used by a "pittbull lawyer".

And don't come me with the BS that this is because lack of opportunities because

the kid still managed to finish high school and got accepted to a state university. Unfortunately the survivalist and aggressive attitude that was the norm in New York City caused him to be involved in more violent altercations at school, whether it was with other brothers, false flaggers or the relentlessly racist population of an uncultured Middle America.

He chosed this life even when he reached the university, the easy way is blaming the rest of the people, "New York", "his brothers", "false Flaggers" or "Racist Population of the uncultured middle America" always blaming the rest of the people, never himself, how convinient.

Is this what we want for Prog'? Is there any difference with the scumbags you mention Doctor? I don't think so, this guy is even worst.

By the way, also mentioned Gang Starr, has this some relation with Gangsta?

I also found a some info about another "great Underground band" (In Con Safo's words) called Ugly Duckling:

When Ugly Duckling came through Iowa City last year promoting their second album, Journey to Anywhere, they left a bit to be desired, especially when overcompensating by telling us how "real" they were.... Anyway, imagine my surprise when I heard Ugly Duckling's new Taste the Secret, which is anything but authentic. What undie hip-hop group in its right mind would dare hire 1980s one-hit wonder Stacey "Two of Hearts" Q to help write pop hooks for a concept album about a fast-food chain that only serves meat fries, meat salads, and meatshakes? The Long Beach trio sprinkles ad jingles ("When you're hungry and thirsty") between ridiculously hummable songs http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0324,mcleod,44742,22.html

Sound like Posers to me.

And just starting the search

Iván

Iván