Coheed And Cambria: The real reasons !!!

Tony R wrote: Shwang_Shwinga wrote: Hmm...well, Josh [man, it's strange calling you that, Heyitsthatguy, cause that's my name as well], it seems that you have a liking towards IKSoSE3...haha, that definitely goes without saying. I see the point you're trying to establish with Good Apollo, as songs like "The Suffering" and "Wake Up" are pseudo-pop in certain ears, but when fitted with the entire story of The Amory Wars [not to mention the layering techniques used in almost every Coheed song, they're amazing really], they take on a new meaning. Oh well, thats just IMHO, to each their own... I like your suggestions very much, though we should include at least one song from SSTB, as it would seem as if we're trying to "trick" the mods by only giving them songs from 2/3 of Coheed's work, anything from Second Stage you'd care to see make it through, perhaps Delirium Trigger or Neverender? This "mod" is familiar with ALL Coheed& Cambria's catalogue. I subscribe to Napster and I also own 2 of their albums...I got my daughter into them. This is a serious music site and we perform our dutiies accordingly.You think we just read the music press and guess?

I wasn't sure how in detail they had been discussed, after reading the rest of the thread I don't really have much to add it seems

Shwang_Shwinga wrote: Hmm...well, Josh [man, it's strange calling you that, Heyitsthatguy, cause that's my name as well], it seems that you have a liking towards IKSoSE3...haha, that definitely goes without saying. I see the point you're trying to establish with Good Apollo, as songs like "The Suffering" and "Wake Up" are pseudo-pop in certain ears, but when fitted with the entire story of The Amory Wars [not to mention the layering techniques used in almost every Coheed song, they're amazing really], they take on a new meaning. Oh well, thats just IMHO, to each their own... I like your suggestions very much, though we should include at least one song from SSTB, as it would seem as if we're trying to "trick" the mods by only giving them songs from 2/3 of Coheed's work, anything from Second Stage you'd care to see make it through, perhaps Delirium Trigger or Neverender?

I was trying to think of one from Second Stage but got a bit lazy maybe Everything Evil? and I liked IV, I just didn't like tracks like "The Lying Lies..." and "Once Upon Your Dead Body"....to be honest SS is probably my least favorite, never really got into it though I do like Delirium Trigger. I'm probably committing some sort of prog blasphemy by even helping with this but hey I guess they're a guilty pleasure for me

also, if you like these guys, try the band 3, they sound like a mix between C&C and Tool at parts, and are also somewhat prog influenced....maybe not enough for prog-related but that's a whole issue on its own and posing addition isn't exactly pressing right now

Shwang_Shwinga wrote: On that note, does anyone have any suggestions for songs I should upload that would prove Co&Ca to be progressive enough for the site? I have so many ideas of what to send, but I need a little outside help narrowing it down....thanks! -SS

The Light and the Glass- IKSOSE3
The Crowing- IKSOSE3
title track- IKSOSE3
Willing Well tracks 1-3 (the fourth one while sounding typical in prog sound doesn't progress all that much to me)

that's all I can think of for now

Ah, perhaps you boys have yet to hear all their albums, hmm? I've purchased their entire discography, and I am quite pleased. Even their first work, "The Second Stage Turbine Blade" has some very "proggy" parts and pieces to it, though their most progressively inclined works are the other two albums, "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3" and "Good Apollo, my title is too long Vol. 1: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness."

Perhaps not every song of theirs is 12 minutes long (although counting the Velorium Camper songs off of Keeping Secrets, there's about 3 mini-epics on that album.) Perhaps they are on Fuse or MTV2 on occasion. And sure, they'll be playing with "contemporaries" at the wretched enemy of prog (or thought), Warped Tour. But the heart of the music is more than surely progressive.

Deadsoul Tribe is a group on this site who have no songs longer than 7 minutes, though they are undoubtedly prog. So are  Muse and  Mastodon (except Mastodon has only had progressive compositions since "Leviathan," and they do have one 13 minute song that  doesn't contain a hidden track). Even Dredg belong here. Co&Ca may not be a KC or Yes ripoff, but does that make them not prog? Of course not! Nor does it shun these other groups, who are quite favored in this site's use atmosphere.

Just because a band has some mainstream attention and radio playability doesn't mean they can't be progressive in nature. Just because more than a dozen people know who Coheed are doesn't mean its teenage trash. You really need to open your mind on this one. They're a lot more than you think.


And on the note of priorities, how long does it take to determine if a band is prog and give them a port site here? I mean, from this perspective at least, there's a team of people listening to the suggestions and determining whether or not they deserve a spot in the archives. A team. I figured since Co&Ca have been debated for a LONG time, a final "yes" or "no" answer could've been given, or at least hope for a future response. I wasn't aware of the "mountain" of suggestions piled amongst the bright and shining admin team working tentatively to add bands to our Archives, so perhaps I'm just a rambling fool. But I thought that at this point we'd have some clue as to, at least what genre they'd be placed under.

Not to worry, however, I have reviewed and rewritten my e-mail to the band suggestion folks, and its fairly well constructed. All that's left is to upload the 5 songs LEGALLY onto MediaFire so they can be listened to [idea kudos to Goldenspiral ] and I will have a valid message to be sent to the Heads.


On that note, does anyone have any suggestions for songs I should upload that would prove Co&Ca to be progressive enough for the site? I have so many ideas of what to send, but I need a little outside help narrowing it down....thanks!

-SS

IMO Coheed & Cambria are quite obviously Prog-Related.

No conspiracy, no prog-snobbiness involved. It's simply a  matter of prority. The priority for this site always has been and always should be the inclusion of Prog Bands. There is a mountain of Prog Bands waiting to be added.

Coheed&Cambria aren't a Prog Rock band, therefore they aren't a priority for the site.

rockguitar1015 wrote: OK, I hear alot of people giving thier opinions on the qualities of the band. None of this has to do with being PROGRESSIVE.  Let's not forget that Prog still stands for Progressive. They are doing something different.  Very different. That's all it takes.  They are pushing their genre(which is modern rock).  Therefore, they are Prog Rock. It makes no difference if a band has technical musicianship, long names, concept albums, tributes to King Crimson, songs that sound kinda like Sgt Peppers, 70's guitar tone, and a moog solo.  Being Prog is about pushing ideas, and being creative beyond your genre.  Coheed is most certainly NOT a one trick horse.  What they do takes people(myself included) by surprise. Prog for sure.

OK, I hear alot of people giving thier opinions on the qualities of the band.

None of this has to do with being PROGRESSIVE.  Let's not forget that Prog still stands for Progressive.

They are doing something different.  Very different.

That's all it takes.  They are pushing their genre(which is modern rock).  Therefore, they are Prog Rock.

It makes no difference if a band has technical musicianship, long names, concept albums, tributes to King Crimson, songs that sound kinda like Sgt Peppers, 70's guitar tone, and a moog solo.  Being Prog is about pushing ideas, and being creative beyond your genre.  Coheed is most certainly NOT a one trick horse.  What they do takes people(myself included) by surprise.

Prog for sure.

Ghandi 2 wrote: jmcdaniel_ee wrote: From PA's recent interview w/Steven Wilson:   >However, I see over the > last 5 years there's a new kind of breed of bands that have really > changed the way people think about the term progressive. It's now used > frequently in the media in a genuinely positive sense.  With The Mars > Volta, Tool, Opeth, The Flaming Lips, Sigur Ros, Isis, Mastodon, > Radiohead, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, suddenly the definition is much > broader than it was.   Mr. Wilson hath spoken... He also mentioned Muse, who are prog related, and The Flaming Lips, who aren't here at all. And what does he know, Deadwing isn't even prog. ;-)

jmcdaniel_ee wrote: From PA's recent interview w/Steven Wilson:   >However, I see over the > last 5 years there's a new kind of breed of bands that have really > changed the way people think about the term progressive. It's now used > frequently in the media in a genuinely positive sense.  With The Mars > Volta, Tool, Opeth, The Flaming Lips, Sigur Ros, Isis, Mastodon, > Radiohead, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, suddenly the definition is much > broader than it was.   Mr. Wilson hath spoken...

salmacis wrote: ^That's a pretty good summary of why they could be included in prog related. The thing with them for me though is that they have all the elements in place but the emo influence dominates it too much, for my taste at least. I think if they toned that down the prog would probably come out a bit more.   I thought this band had been added and withdrawn not long after...was that before the prog related category??