Twiddling

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   ^ do you really think this makes a difference? Imagine you're a musician, you practice 5 or more hours a day, record a song or even simply publish a video of yourself practicing on youtube to get some kind of feedback ... do you really think that in that situation it would make a big difference if people said "stop the w**kery" or "you're a w**ker - get lost"? There's a subtle difference, but I think both statements are insulting.

Now ... the word "fiddling" is also not very polite, but at least it's more to the point: "too many notes".

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MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21495	Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:34
	^ do you really think this makes a difference? Imagine you're a musician, you practice 5 or more hours a day, record a song or even simply publish a video of yourself practicing on youtube to get some kind of feedback ... do you really think that in that situation it would make a big difference if people said "stop the wkery" or "you're a wker - get lost"? There's a subtle difference, but I think both statements are insulting. Now ... the word "fiddling" is also not very polite, but at least it's more to the point: "too many notes".
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Novalis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 15 2007 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 338	Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:35
	True, but the caption for the video the player wrote was "w**kery". Edited by Novalis - June 08 2007 at 04:36

MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21495	Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:39
	^ true, so this guy has some sense of humor ... still, I don't think that it's necessary to use the word in reviews or to describe "real" recordings.
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emdiar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 05 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 890	Posted: June 08 2007 at 09:36
	The term wkery , used in this sense, has nothing to do with being a wker. One can be drunk without being a drunkard. What's more, the term wker is not really that much of an insult, just about everybody in the world has masturbated at some time so I can't see why anyone would fly off the handle like that. The point is not that Yngwie Malmsteen is a wker (which he almost certainly is, who isn't?), but rather that he chooses to play relentlessly self gratifying over-ornate, highly technically gifted but emotionally empty dross. imho
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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Posted: June 08 2007 at 15:25
	Whatever you want to call it a twiddler is still a twiddler by any other name. The kid in the youtube video is no better than the average 16 year old kid who goes up into his room after school and plugs in his guitar and lets her rip and sounds like Ywinge Malmsteen mark II. Just go down to the local music store and you`ll see they`re a dime a dozen trying out every guitar effect in the book just so they can sound better than they really are. I asked the guy in the sheet music department in my local music store why they have so much metal guitar tab and fake books and he said unfortunately that`s what most kids want to learn which is sad. I also love McLaughlin`s playing but you have to dig into albums other than the Mahavishnu stuff or his even own solo recordings to here him doing some more "musical" playing. I saw him on Johnny Carson back in the eighties doing the jazz standard Cherokee with the full orchestra and anyone who says this guy doesn`t or can`t swing should have seen this. During his Dixie Dreggs days Steve Morse said something like this in Guitar player magazine about being criticized for laying fast " Usually guitarists who criticize other guitarists who can`t play fast are jealous because they can`t play fast themselves". Fast or slow music has to have some purpose or meaning. I still think Lemmy is kind of right.