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Vibrationbaby
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Topic: Twiddling Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:03 |
Just saw an interview with Lemmy. He was talking about Hawkwind and when asked who he would like to collaborate with if he had a choice he said Jeff Beck before his twiddling days. He also referred to other jazz and prog rock guitarists as twiddlers. I looked up the definition in the Oxford dictionary and it defined twiddling as ..."Playing in a nervous or purposeless way. Rapid or intricate series of musical notes. " I think he`s right in a way if he really knows the definition of twiddling. Is he?
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Man Erg
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Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:08 |
By the sound of it he just doesn't like the style of music that they now choose to play.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 06 2007 at 17:11 |
thing is, Jeff Beck still rocks, twiddler or not. You go see him today or five years from now and he'll be rippin the blues, rock, fusion, whatever he feels like, and like no one else.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 06 2007 at 19:03 |
So you think he`s a twiddler nonetheless. Maybe John McLaughlin is a twiddler as well.
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 06 2007 at 19:04 |
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 03:48 |
On "The Inner Mounting Flame" he sure is. (runs) |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: June 07 2007 at 04:49 |
As much as I like Lemmy, Hawkwind and Motorhead, I'm sure if he had the ablity to 'twiddle' his attitude would be different..
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Heptade
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 19 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 427 |
Posted: June 07 2007 at 10:55 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 11:12 |
I`ve heard short bursts of twiddling from Brock on some live Hawkwind recordings but nothing appraoching the twiddling skill of guys like McLaughlin or Malmsteen. I`ve got a Motorhead compilation and I checked for twiddling but couldn`t find any . In another interview some time ago Lemmy even drew comparisons between Motorhead`s music to that of the Beatles.
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Heptade
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 11:19 |
I love the Hawk, but Brock's command of the fretboard has never been stellar.
Nice echoplex effects though. |
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The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:32 |
Brock has even admitted that he was no guitar hero. Lemmy also said he was very easy to work with musically. His synth work is also simple but freaky. Malmsteen has to be the king of twiddling. My wife is a music teacher and has her doctorate and from time to time I get her to evaluate some of the crap that I listen to ( she even wrote a review here once) and she says that Ywinge just hits the notes. She demonstrated the difference between twiddling and music to me on our piano with a piece of classical music. She played the passage as it should be played and then she played it as fast and hard as she could to demonstrate twiddling. It`s weird I liked the twiddling better.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 14:38 |
^ play her some Vai ... something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAi7fa2yZo
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: June 07 2007 at 15:07 |
Reminds me of Nigel`s guitar solo in the first Spinal Tap Movie I think this is exactly what Lemmy means by "twiddling". But I wonder what he would think of a more traditional "twiddler" such as Wes Montgomery or Joe Pass?
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puma
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 01:18 |
John McLaughlin is THE twiddler
then Petrucci |
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Novalis
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 02:43 |
I call it w**kery.
And even though Mclaughlin is a twiddler, he's good at it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 03:21 |
^ there are few things people can say about music that disgust me ... this is one of them. IMO people saying that aren't worthy of listening to good music, as they are instrumental in destroying music itself.
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Novalis
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 03:58 |
Back the truck up! By definition, w**kery is not good music. It is gratuitous use of excessive playing for the satisfaction of the player. Note that I never accused anyone of this, although I did call Mclaughlin a twiddler, but not in a perjorative sense (because I love the guy's work).
So before you tell me I'm "not worthy of listening to good music" and am "instrumental in destroying music itself", I will say that anyone who encourages unneccessary use of meandering, unmelodic, excessive "w**kery" is doing exactly that.
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Novalis
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:13 |
This is what I call w**kery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-4keLWn_VM
Mindless use of hackneyed techniques played fast in order to look better than you are. Sure, some people are great at improv. but most aren't.
BTW, I don't consider most of the stuff on this site "w**kery", bar some Prog. Metal and Jazz Fusion -and those are some of my favourite genres.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:23 |
^ even if you think that the music is mindless, pointless, stupid or dull ... still no reason to call the musician a w**ker.
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Novalis
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 15 2007 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 338 |
Posted: June 08 2007 at 04:28 |
Well actually I didn't. To exhibit stupidity does not mean you are neccesarily stupid.
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