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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: May 30 2007 at 20:07 |
I wish I could feel ways about stuff
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Dim
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Posted: May 30 2007 at 20:05 |
darqdean wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
coleio wrote:
He's not being an idiot he's telling the truth... |
How can he be telling the truth if he is asking a question... thinking is useful |
It was one of those retorical questions? |
How is, quote "why would you make this topic, there are plenty of boring albums out there" retoricle?
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Dean
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Posted: May 30 2007 at 14:03 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
coleio wrote:
He's not being an idiot he's telling the truth... |
How can he be telling the truth if he is asking a question... thinking is useful |
It was one of those retorical questions?
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What?
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SolariS
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:15 |
aw naw, hell naw. foxtrot is smooth
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Dim
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 22:11 |
coleio wrote:
He's not being an idiot he's telling the truth... |
How can he be telling the truth if he is asking a question... thinking is useful
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 08:16 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
I'm not even going to bother going back to see the previous discussion.
Foxtrot is not a boring album - it's one that some people take a long time to discover.
That's not patronising - it's fact.
If it bores you, you're the type that needs "hits", not art. |
I hate "hits" ! way to JUDGE, read what I first said loser!
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I'm not a loser - I'm a winner.
I wanted to annoy you because you said that one of my favourite albums was boring - and it worked.
Sorry about that - I have an evil sense of humour... |
Sounds to me less like evil/twisted and more like simple trolling. |
You're a winner too - it was simple trolling - so you get this week's star prize, which is all the troll doo-doo you can eat.
A thread that starts out with a negative premise like this one is a troll in itself - so it deserves as many trolls as it can attract.
The latter (about deserving as many trolls as it can attract) is just my personal opinion, and not those of the site, of course.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 08:00 |
micky wrote:
Logan wrote:
Foxtrot is an essential album to hear for beginners getting into classic Prog (which makes it a kind of a Prog 101 album and band), but something that some advanced Progressive Music aficionados will move away from... and some will deeply cherish for ever.
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some might see that as a bit an elitist point of point... with a bit of a condescending tone to it.. but you know what...
I love it ....and I think you are dead on.
The more prog you check out.. you might see the album simply isn't THAT great in comparison. However there's nothing that says you don't have to stop loving it or cherishing it.
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Actually, it's completely the opposite - as you listen to more prog, every time you return to Foxtrot, you realise just how great it is.
Especially when you compare it to a one-trick pony like Yes.
Edited by Certif1ed - May 29 2007 at 08:01
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Norbert
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 07:51 |
pero wrote:
Genesis best album for me.
If Foxtrot is boring for you why do you need to anounce here?
A lot of bands here are boring for me but I'm not starting a tread about it. |
Some well deserved clappies for this post.
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micky
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 18:07 |
Logan wrote:
Foxtrot is an essential album to hear for
beginners getting into classic Prog (which makes it a kind of a Prog
101 album and band), but something that some advanced Progressive Music
aficionados will move away from... and some will deeply cherish for
ever.
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some might see that as a bit an elitist point of point... with a bit of a condescending tone to it.. but you know what...
I love it ....and I think you are dead on.
The more prog you check out.. you might see the album simply isn't THAT
great in comparison. However there's nothing that says you don't
have to stop loving it or cherishing it.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Dim
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 17:27 |
?^
That fox head he wore was huge though!?!?
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NutterAlert
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 15:33 |
Not when played live in the fox head and little red dress combination. Do you know the red dress Gabriel wore on stage was his wife's and he actually killed the fox and fashioned it into stage headgear himself.
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Logan
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 15:30 |
Over time some things tarnish.
progadicto wrote:
Definetively NO!... It's one of the best Genesis
albums and the five songs are great! I still cannot understand why some
people don't like this album or (in this case) thinks Foxtrot is
bored... I just simply don't get it... |
It's primarily a matter of taste, really. Overexposure can dull the pleasure, as can discovering other things that one prefers. Depending on what one is into, I could understand people not ever finding a like for it. If one appreciates the jazz aspect of Prog particulalry, for instance, there are better albums to listen to. I don't dislike the album, it's more that it doesn't excite me. I used to enjoy it much more, but as I discovered many albums from the various categories at this site, Genesis palled for me. In fact, Symphonic Prog on the whole doesn't interest me nearly as much as it used to. However, there are still many albums and bands I love in that category. I still like Focus, for instance, after many years even though Genesis and many other bands that I used to love don't hold my interest so much. Some have expressed that they consider that a second-rate band. Fine; it's taste. Gryphon is another band that has held my interest for many years (I still love Gryphon), yet I know some consider their albums poor. And of course in the last few years I've been exposed to a lot more Prog that I love from the various categories (have to see how I feel about some of those bands after years have passed -- will I still love Gentle Giant, will Acquiring the Taste bore me? Will I become bored with the many bands I love from RIO/ Avant Prog, Zeuhl, Canterbury and Jazz/ Rock Fusion for instance? Only time will tell. Some people don't like Genesis, let alone this album. Some, like myself, liked it, then tired of it. There are just hundreds of albums in the archives that I find more interesting and satisfying than Foxtrot. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy Foxtrot... Maybe down the road, I'll be back into it again. Maybe for nostalgic reasons. Nostalgia played a big part in my wanting to explore Prog bands again -- particularly a yearning for Genesis (I'd never left some Prog like Yes and Pink Floyd though I don't listen to them much anymore). But my "Horizons" have expanded greatly since then, and much stuff I once really liked just doesn't hold the same interest anymore. Certain albums and styles of music can get boring as the decades pass, but eventually I want to revisit everything I once held dear. I can guess that another factor for Foxtrot and other Genesis albums losing interest for some around here is that they just seem to be discussed to death here. It helps contribute to the 'stale' factor. Foxtrot is an essential album to hear for beginners getting into classic Prog (which makes it a kind of a Prog 101 album and band), but something that some advanced Progressive Music aficionados will move away from... and some will deeply cherish for ever.
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mystic fred
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 07:05 |
Progger wrote:
Supper's Ready is awesome but the rest of Foxtrot is made up of filler IMO |
on the contrary - the band had so much material for "Supper's Ready" it was something of a miracle they managed to cram it all on one side of an LP !!
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Progger
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Posted: May 27 2007 at 06:56 |
Supper's Ready is awesome but the rest of Foxtrot is made up of filler IMO
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progadicto
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Posted: May 26 2007 at 21:02 |
Definetively NO!... It's one of the best Genesis albums and the five songs are great! I still cannot understand why some people don't like this album or (in this case) thinks Foxtrot is bored... I just simply don't get it...
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con safo
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Posted: May 26 2007 at 20:47 |
No.
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micky
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Posted: May 26 2007 at 19:34 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Hey Mickey, I love everything Pg Genesis, just not the first three songs of Foxtrot! |
my problem has never been with Genesis being boring... it is just
I don't think their albums are as good as people think they are It's all taste an popularity I know.. so I generally keep my big yapper shut.
Watchter of the Sky's wasn't bad at all.. Time Table put me to
sleep.. yet Get 'em out by Friday is a fabulous song. So in a
nutshell for me.... their albums other than SEBTP. Rather
average.. hit and miss albums. A mix of the good.. at times brilliant..
then absolute filler. They didn't .. .not have talent enough to
do..... but exhibit the 'chops' to make routine songs.. or even garbage
(like Yes could do ....say with Soundchaser.)damn interesting and fun
to listen to. Simply that is I could make 1 CD of selection from
all their albums. .and be happy the rest of my life. Anyhow..
just a personal observation.
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coleio
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Posted: May 26 2007 at 18:09 |
He's not being an idiot he's telling the truth...
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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Dim
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Posted: May 26 2007 at 18:05 |
^ well, I anounce it here because it is one of the breakthrough prog albums with one of the signature prog songs of all time, and I'm apparently one of the few people who find the first three songs very bad compared to every other genesis track with PG! Dont be an idiot pero!
Edited by schizoid_man77 - May 26 2007 at 18:05
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pero
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Posted: May 25 2007 at 08:01 |
Genesis best album for me.
If Foxtrot is boring for you why do you need to anounce here?
A lot of bands here are boring for me but I'm not starting a tread about it.
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