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    Posted: April 30 2007 at 10:45
With all the new technology just about any recording you care to name can be obtained through cyberspace either by streaming them or pirating them if you`re good enough with computers, which is what a friend of mine does. I don`t agree with it , but I was over at his house over the weekend and just to test his claim that he could download just about anything I started naming songs from lesser known prog bands such as Eiliff, Pell Mell, Gate, P.Mobil, FRUUPP, Ruphus etc. etc. and sure enough he got everything I could name off the top of my head almost instantly.
I`ve written 150 or so reviews on this site and try to write reviews for records or CDs which haven`t got that many reviews trying to stay away from stuff like Discipline or DSOTM which have dozens upon dozens of critiques. I`ve said this in the past on this site, when I started out collecting music it was go out and buy the album and hope for the best . If you were lucky maybe you would see a review in one of the few record guides that were available or in magazines like NME or Rolling Stone. If you can hear the whole thing on your computer why read someone else`s lowdown?
Don`t get me wrong, I find it interesting to hear what someone else has to say about an album I`ve had for years or will actually read  reviews at random in hopes of discovering  that  "new band".
So what`s the point of reviews? Are they just redundant or just simply entertaining?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 10:53
Man ... so much in this thread  I only wish I had the time to respond properly, I do believe that reviews are a great way to express on a mini soap box what I always wanted to say, even though the review I`m writing is totally subjective..  when I read a review I accept that opinion of the writer but I keep an open mind ..  sometimes there's some really good points I never thought about .   
Sometimes when I read certain reviews I want to punch the guy who wrote it  sometimes I get very annoyed  Ouch


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 10:56

I prefer to know a little about the reviewer's taste, so I know how to weigh the opinion.  Depending on the site, that's not always possible, but I find it helps a lot.  Especially if you find one that's somewhat in the ballpark of your own likes and dislikes. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:01
If one has a bad internet connection so that downloading takes time, reviews still serve a purpose. Wasting a lot of time downloading something disappointing isn't very nice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:06

Even though most reviews will have a certain amount of bias in them, I still enjoy reading them to gauge whether or not I would be interested in buying the album.  For albums I already own I will read the review to see whether I agree or disagree with the comments made by another.  Reviews are helpful, but nobody should take them as fact.  Listen and decide for yourself I say.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:07
There's just too much to listen to ... dozens of albums are being released every month, not to mention all the albums that were released in the last decades. You can use reviews and ratings to find some candidates which you then check out. This is what I do: I read two good German music magazines. They review most albums that are being released, and each month I go through the review section and note albums which could be worth checking out. That way I save a lot of time, and get a good overview of what's being released.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:33
If with technological development towards the more extensive and accessive propagation of info, that contemporary communication offers with internet, the reviews are relieved of their more exclusive purpose in spreading the artists' work, then maybe their most prominent and genuine function, now, is to verbalize our impressions of what traverses our ears, minds and lives, to turn an abstract idea into a visible and concrete expression, and to express the social component that music carries with it - since every human being finds the need of social interaction and expression, he/she shares with the world his/her exciting discovery, reason of bliss and admiration or outrage and disgust; and to formalize, structure these thoughts and impressions, are reviews, on sites, magazines or even just scribbled on a misplaced paper at home.
Still, imo, it's perfectly agreeable that no matter how large and accessively the songs are difused for one to listen to, you still need a hint at where to start and that's where reviews come in: not only letting you know what unanimously (or not) is considered quality music, through ratings, it furthers its appreciation through words of experience, allowing you to identify with or reject the album, song or band that you read and speculate is more or less likely to please you.

Edited by Aspiring hope - April 30 2007 at 11:36

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:42
You're right about buying albums in the past, Ian, you could only rely on music paper reviews or if you were lucky a mate had a copy you could hear. If you bought a duff album you could hardly take it back to the shop, as they would question you with the utmost suspicion for even thinking about it.Shocked
 
These days if you wish to keep on the right side of the law regarding piracy we are lucky to have the internet at our disposal for many sources of sound samples and reviews, and there are hundreds to read on PA including your hard work, so keep writing!Smile
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:53
I believe it's important to bear in mind that the reviews here will still be read 25+ years from now and by then who knows what restrictions may have been imposed on access to music.  The human element can't be replaced and I will always find it interesting to see what someone else thought of an album whether it influences my opinion or not.  While some have the time to download hundreds of songs to sample I would venture that most don't have that luxury and the ability to come to this site, look up an album or artist and get a fair assessment within ten minutes is extremely valuable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 11:58
I read a lot of reviews for a few reasons:

1. I want to know someone's opinion on an album I'll take a look at the review, if it's not there I try to encourage the person to write a review for that album if they have it. (well only for velveteers)
2. I find out about a band that is new to me, so I check the reviews to see what people have to say about the album. I usually end up buying the album but I now have a general idea of what I'm going to listen to.
3. I don't download music too much and I like buying CDs so reviews are always helpful for finding out which album from a band is the best one to get if I have limited money, which is constantly.
4. I like reading opinions on albums I already have to see how much I agree with the people on PA
5. If I'm writing a review I make sure I read every review for that album (well except for cases where there are more than 150 reviews - then I don't bother cause there are too many) so I can see if my review would be helpful or if I can add anything in my review which could make it different from other reviews or to make sure I don't say something in a similar way to a reviewer that could cause suspicion of plagiarism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 12:17
I write reviews (now 67 of them) because:
 
1. I just love to write about music.
 
2. I'm crazy enough to think that somebody will ever read them
 
3. For some reason, I feel the need to have a big history of reviews behind me...that was specially useful when I was going to study journalism..
 
4. I can write very well in my own language, and I want to improve my english for it to become at least 50% as good as my spanish.
 
5. I love to give my opinion in music.
 
6. When I find an album I really like, sometimes I feel the urge to explain why to somebody.
 
7. When I find an album I despise, I feel the need to give my opinion.
 
8. The last one augmented by 100 if the album I dislike is one that has gotten too many good reviews. Sorry, when I see something that is way overrated for my taste, I have to say it. (you know what).
 
9. I just love to write about things I care.
 
10. See my signature. I'd like to be considered...CryTongueWinkBig%20smileSmileLOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 12:18
^^You forgot:

11. So I can ruthlessly bash Kayo DotEvil%20Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 12:30
actually i started writting a review just for fun... i'm quite bored and decided to try writting one. for now, i'm writting reviews to learn how to express your feeling toward an album, and to improve my english as well

it's good if someone actually did helped by my reviews, though i'm not expecting anything but a few from them...

as for reading reviews... i always like to find out the good and the bad points of an album...what's special about it,etc...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 12:32
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

You're right about buying albums in the past, Ian, you could only rely on music paper reviews or if you were lucky a mate had a copy you could hear. If you bought a duff album you could hardly take it back to the shop, as they would question you with the utmost suspicion for even thinking about it.Shocked
 
These days if you wish to keep on the right side of the law regarding piracy we are lucky to have the internet at our disposal for many sources of sound samples and reviews, and there are hundreds to read on PA including your hard work, so keep writing!Smile
 
 
Absolutely - or you could be sheep-like and preorder many weeks prior to the release date, because you had the band's previous album(s) and naive enough to believe the next one would be at least as good. Doing that twice and getting IMHO the bands' worst albums, cured me of that type of optimistic purchasing. As a result there were quite a few holes in my collections because neither having  an accessible review nor radio play at te time (therefore unawarenes s of release)  or most importantly being broke. Old age and increased purchasing power and huge number of back catalogue albums now on CD, have allowed a lot of catching up. These have been often purchased having heard friends'  LPs 20 ro 30 years ago, then often borrowed to be copied on to reel to reel then cassette.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:03
I am completely dependent on reviews, both the ones here and elsewhere.

The dilemma is this: there are probably literally a million+ options when it comes to finding new albums to listen to (in general, not just prog). How does one know where to look? For me, I turn to reviews, and the ones on this site are great because people here in general have good taste.

So, I only check out the higher-rated stuff, and without reviews, I'd have very little idea what to listen to. There's only so much time and money any individual can spend on music, and directing that time and money to the best stuff is almost always dependent on other people's opinions, whether it is by review or word-of-mouth. Even if you are one of those illegal-downloading people, you still need to know what you want to download ... you're not going to just do it randomly!

The drawback is that there may be many albums that have low ratings that I might enjoy a lot, but will never experience. Still, though, my way of looking for new music has led me to discover so much good stuff that I'm not very worried about that downside.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:05
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If with technological development towards the more extensive and accessive propagation of info, that contemporary communication offers with internet, the reviews are relieved of their more exclusive purpose in spreading the artists' work, then maybe their most prominent and genuine function, now, is to verbalize our impressions of what traverses our ears, minds and lives, to turn an abstract idea into a visible and concrete expression, and to express the social component that music carries with it - since every human being finds the need of social interaction and expression, he/she shares with the world his/her exciting discovery, reason of bliss and admiration or outrage and disgust; and to formalize, structure these thoughts and impressions, are reviews, on sites, magazines or even just scribbled on a misplaced paper at home.

Very well put!!!  Reviewing shldnt just be a buying guide or track by track description of what it sounds like BUT telling the reader about what this album means to you, does to you, what are the qualities in it that make so etc etc etc...........thats the beauty and romance and mystery of rock n' fookin roll my friends!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:13
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

If one has a bad internet connection so that downloading takes time, reviews still serve a purpose. Wasting a lot of time downloading something disappointing isn't very nice.


It's better than wasting your money on something disappointing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:48

Reviews are a good way of knowing what the majority think of an album, but sometimes it can backfire terribly.. Rush - Snakes and Arrows being a good case, folk who have heard it state how great it is, so being a total Rush fan I purchase the album, and now wish I hadnt.. the worst pile of crap I have heard in a long time!

On the other side you have reviews on Porcupine Tree "Fear of A Blank Planet", I downloaded tracks from various albums by then, made me think that PT could be a good purchase.  Went out and bought it from recommendation from this site, and 10/10 for a great choice.
 
I think you have to check who are reviewing the albums, if the names are known within the site and how fair they have reviewed albums in the past.
 
Now I am on a witch hunt for those positive review of snakes and arrows lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 13:51
^^

It hasn't even been officially released!

How did you buy it? Confused

And you shouldn't trust reviews on an album before it is officially released because you have no idea to what they were listening to when they wrote the review.


Edited by progismylife - April 30 2007 at 13:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2007 at 14:01
^It has been released in the UK today. I picked mine up today. I'm certainly not going to review it now but I'm very impressed so far...
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