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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 07:12
In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
 
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
 
 
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Rock and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.

A wide subgenre that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock.

Even though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres.

Though most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated.
 
 
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Rock-in-Opposition — Often abbreviated RIO, this form of progressive rock relies heavily on early 20th century avant-garde classical structures. Dominated by dissonant chords, odd time meters, polyrhythms, and abstract, sometimes politically-oriented vocals, this style is often dismissed even by die-hard progressive fans. Like the other more avant-garde styles such as Krautrock, it should be listened to, and not just heard. Musicianship is extremely high, yet appreciation is somewhat low. This form of prog is best appreciated in live concert settings as the interaction between musicians is quite astounding to watch.

Avant-Prog - Avant-Prog is short for avant-garde progressive rock. This style appeared in the late 1970s as the extension of two separate prog rock sub-styles: Rock in Opposition (RIO) and prog of the Canterbury scene. RIO is a term restricted to temporal limits; Canterbury prog to geographical limits. The late 1970s onward saw the development of an avant-prog scene often functioning in the margin of mainstream prog. A host of groups and artists mainly from the USA, but also from Europe and Japan, started to write mostly short instrumental pieces that focused on complexity and stripped down instrumentation, while avoiding the pomposity and stage props of the big prog acts
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:02
Originally posted by richeym richeym wrote:

In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
 And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
 
 
 
Well, the avant-prog does not relate to her as well.. This is the best solution. If you want to complain/change, you can talk with the admins/rest of the ZART and say your opinion. They can decide to change it, however the ZART has voted in the past that she is put in prog related, but maybe they'll change their minds.
 
And it's definitely not my fault you have here not-very-prog-rock-bands. I will not start adding bands/musicians that shouldn't be here, just because mistakes were made in the past. And I didn't write those definitions, which will be changed in the coming future, by the way.
 
Why didn't you speak earlier when we were all talking about she will be in prog-related? In previous pages we proposed it there and the admins say they're giving it an evaluationa and after several days said yes. It's all there, you could have spoken there.
 
She is Avant-garde, so are others and for now they will not be added to avant-prog rock  - which is the main reason I refrain from adding DAAU here as did my colleagues in the team who objected to them due to them being not rock (at first chamber music, and then switched a bit). You can see it as avant-prog related. There are now in Avant prog some non-rock bands as well, which poses a question on the nature of this genre.
 
I personally, would like to see some of there artists here in Avant prog and wouldn't object for her to move. But I need the team's approval as well, as I don't work alone. And as I remember, they object to bands/musicians like these... Which is contradictory since you have in PA bands like Volapuk, Julverne, Early Art Zoyd and Univers Zero and more ....
 
In any case, send me what you say are Mistakes and Omissions and I'll see how to add them to the bio. And thanks for the kind words...
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:19
I guess the door is open for Happy Rhodes and Joanna Newson now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:26
Originally posted by richeym richeym wrote:

In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
 
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
 
 


Do you realize how strange that sounds? Exactly because she (mostly) doesn't play rock music, it's difficult to characterize her as a progressive rock artist. She is progressive however, and often within the realm of popular music. This is why prog related is the best option, if we want to see her on this website (and I do - if I remember correctly, I even was the one who proposed her inclusion).

Either way, if richeym is not going to say it, I certainly will: thanks a lot for adding her, Assaf!!! Clap Big%20smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:30
Yes, Joren proposed her and we had a debate about her and other non-rock avant bands/musicians. A debate which we are still having... We also need to consider very carefully what the owners want for this site (it's theirs, not ours, they pay for it!).
Anyway, see my other remarks in my post above.
 
And thanks Joren! Smile (good to "see" you)
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:36
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Yes, Joren proposed her and we had a debate about her and other non-rock avant bands/musicians. A debate which we are still having... We also need to consider very carefully what the owners want for this site (it's theirs, not ours, they pay for it!).
Anyway, see my other remarks in my post above.
 
And thanks Joren! Smile (good to "see" you)
 
 
 
 


Good to see you too, Assaf. Smile I haven't posted a lot as of late. I have been pretty busy with school the past weeks and I will be for the next few months, too. Besides, my feeling of responsibility for PA is not as big as it used to be, and I feel it might be time for me to move on... Now only that Smegma bio... I WILL DO IT SOMEDAY!  Embarrassed LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 11:36
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by richeym richeym wrote:

In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
 And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
 
 
 
Why didn't you speak earlier when we were all talking about she will be in prog-related? In previous pages we proposed it there and the admins say they're giving it an evaluationa and after several days said yes. It's all there, you could have spoken there.
 
If I had visited the forum between then and yesterday, yes, I would have spoken, and helped. However, I've been inundated with work the past couple of weeks, plus I was away from the net for a while Smile Also, I had no idea what this site classed as 'prog related' until I looked at that page this morning. It just seems silly to put her in that catagory, when there's actually an avant catagory, and pretty much everyone in the world defines her as an avant-garde artist (hell, I'm even seeing her live at an avant-garde festival in a couple of weeks).
 
And why are you taking what I'm saying as a personal offence? Confused I'm merely stating my opinion, as someone who's very familiar with both her work, avant-garde music, and progressive music in general. I just figured she belonged in the same catagory that Toby Driver and John Zorn were put in. If this site defines prog music as being a part of 'rock', and being akin to something else that's pre-defined as prog, then I'm beginning to think that there's perhaps not much place for progressive avant-garde musicians on this website right now. Maybe my own definition of 'prog' is skewed in comparison to the general consensus of the userbase of the site, as I'm very much about the progression in the music Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:15
I passed this on to the ZART for them to comment on moving her to Avant.
 
About the non-rock artists, see my posts above.
 
 
Feel free to write a new bio to replace mine.
 
 


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