Diamanda Galás on P.A.
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Topic: Diamanda Galás on P.A.
Posted By: MANTICORE
Subject: Diamanda Galás on P.A.
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 12:41
a simple question, would have to be the Avantgarde singer Diamanda Galás on Progarchives?
Diamanda Galás
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Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 12:51
haha, good question, but i think the answer is rather no
at most, it might be prog related, due to its extreme avangardist nature, but then again, you don't see Laibach around here, even though they're avantgarde, albeit in a pretty much different vein
however, the avantgarde scene on PA is starting to get pretty diverse so i wouldn't be surprised of additions such as this or The Red Masque one day
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:05
She has been approved as prog-related by the ZART.
I will be ading her sometime in the future after the other bands I will add to RIO/Avant.
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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: October 05 2006 at 23:40
thanks
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 18:53
Diamanda should certainly be on the site - she's more progressive than a massive % of the bands already featured, and better too.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 19:52
I am sorry, but since site policies have been updates, I can't add her to the prog-related category without approval of Admins (they are in charge of this now, and for good reason). However I will make a case argument for her and submit it to them. It will however take me time, since I am in charge of other things here which take most of my time (and are mostly unnoticed by forum members).
If you are interested in helping me make a solid case for her addition, please, post your comments on why she should be added.
I will write down my case and take your comments as well and together with some music samples, hand it over to the admin team.
Thanks
Assaf
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 07:39
avestin wrote:
If you are interested in helping me make a solid case for her addition, please, post your comments on why she should be added. |
If anyone can find a similar band or artist that is doing anything remotely similar to what she's been doing for the past 20 years, I'd be very suprised. She's the very definition of progressive (I can't think of any album that is more challenging than her albums 'Schrei X', 'Litanies of Satan' or 'Vena Cava').
If people would rather allow yet another 'neo-prog' band on the site, re-hashing everything that was already done in the 70s by Genesis and Yes, before allowing Diamanda on, then go ahead. However, it seems ridiculous to keep such an important artist as Diamanda off the site as she is making genuinely progressive music that pushes boundaries.
If the admins can watch every video here - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diamanda - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diamanda and still say she's not progressive in nature, then so be it. However, the range of styles she's covered (classical piano, jazz, free jazz, blues, avant-garde, rock) surely denote her as highly progressive (when you take into account she doesn't play those styles normally - but completely twists them to make something new)
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 08:02
Isn't it enough that there are several pictures of her in the Most Beautiful Woman -thread?
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 23:23
Vompatti wrote:
Isn't it enough that there are several pictures of her in the Most Beautiful Woman -thread?
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No.
And have another pic:
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 11:14
*bump*
Is it worth me actually writing out a full submittal thing and emailing it, and having to upload a .zip of songs which takes me a long time?
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 13 2007 at 17:05
I have (finally) passed an official request to the admins (since it's prog related, and they are in charge of that).
Richeym, if you're still interested, and if she's approved, do you still want to write a bio?
If not, I'll handle it.
No need to upload music, I'll take care of that.
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Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: April 14 2007 at 05:20
So... did she pass the exam?
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 14 2007 at 09:55
Asphalt wrote:
So... did she pass the exam? |
The admins will give back their answer to me within the week.
I'll post it here.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 14 2007 at 14:15
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 03:51
DG now approved for prog related.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 04:00
Hooray!
Bold but fair.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 16 2007 at 09:46
Easy Livin wrote:
DG now approved for prog related. |
Thanks to the Admins for their quick vote of confidence.
Now:
Is anyone interested in writing a bio (and get credit for it of course) or should I do one myself? (I am familiar with her work and have several albums, so don't fear that I'll misrepresent her).
Richeym, are you interested?
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 23:18
I added Diamanda Galas here:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2948 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2948
Now, I need your help adding the albums.
You can either add it yourself if you have the info or send it to me and I'll do it.
Also, all those of you enthusiastic about adding her, are now welcome to write reviews of her albums.
Thanks
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:03
I went to help complete the page, and I added The Sporting Life at the exact same time as you, so there's 2 now....
And how can I edit that bio? There are some mistakes and omissions.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:06
richeym wrote:
I went to help complete the page, and I added The Sporting Life at the exact same time as you, so there's 2 now....
And how can I edit that bio? There are some mistakes and omissions. |
Not even a thanks for adding her, eh?
Anyway, I'll take care of that album.
Send me the edits of the bio (as for errors, you can blame her website and all sources I gave there).
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 07:12
In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
prog related:
Rock and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.
A wide subgenre that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock.
Even though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres.
Though most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated.
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Avant prog:
Rock-in-Opposition — Often abbreviated RIO, this form of progressive rock relies heavily on early 20th century avant-garde classical structures. Dominated by dissonant chords, odd time meters, polyrhythms, and abstract, sometimes politically-oriented vocals, this style is often dismissed even by die-hard progressive fans. Like the other more avant-garde styles such as Krautrock, it should be listened to, and not just heard. Musicianship is extremely high, yet appreciation is somewhat low. This form of prog is best appreciated in live concert settings as the interaction between musicians is quite astounding to watch.
Avant-Prog - Avant-Prog is short for avant-garde progressive rock. This style appeared in the late 1970s as the extension of two separate prog rock sub-styles: Rock in Opposition (RIO) and prog of the Canterbury scene. RIO is a term restricted to temporal limits; Canterbury prog to geographical limits. The late 1970s onward saw the development of an avant-prog scene often functioning in the margin of mainstream prog. A host of groups and artists mainly from the USA, but also from Europe and Japan, started to write mostly short instrumental pieces that focused on complexity and stripped down instrumentation, while avoiding the pomposity and stage props of the big prog acts |
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:02
richeym wrote:
In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
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Well, the avant-prog does not relate to her as well.. This is the best solution. If you want to complain/change, you can talk with the admins/rest of the ZART and say your opinion. They can decide to change it, however the ZART has voted in the past that she is put in prog related, but maybe they'll change their minds.
And it's definitely not my fault you have here not-very-prog-rock-bands. I will not start adding bands/musicians that shouldn't be here, just because mistakes were made in the past. And I didn't write those definitions, which will be changed in the coming future, by the way.
Why didn't you speak earlier when we were all talking about she will be in prog-related? In previous pages we proposed it there and the admins say they're giving it an evaluationa and after several days said yes. It's all there, you could have spoken there.
She is Avant-garde, so are others and for now they will not be added to avant-prog rock - which is the main reason I refrain from adding DAAU here as did my colleagues in the team who objected to them due to them being not rock (at first chamber music, and then switched a bit). You can see it as avant-prog related. There are now in Avant prog some non-rock bands as well, which poses a question on the nature of this genre.
I personally, would like to see some of there artists here in Avant prog and wouldn't object for her to move. But I need the team's approval as well, as I don't work alone. And as I remember, they object to bands/musicians like these... Which is contradictory since you have in PA bands like Volapuk, Julverne, Early Art Zoyd and Univers Zero and more ....
In any case, send me what you say are Mistakes and Omissions and I'll see how to add them to the bio. And thanks for the kind words...
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:19
I guess the door is open for Happy Rhodes and Joanna Newson now...
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:26
richeym wrote:
In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
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Do you realize how strange that sounds? Exactly because she (mostly) doesn't play rock music, it's difficult to characterize her as a progressive rock artist. She is progressive however, and often within the realm of popular music. This is why prog related is the best option, if we want to see her on this website (and I do - if I remember correctly, I even was the one who proposed her inclusion).
Either way, if richeym is not going to say it, I certainly will: thanks a lot for adding her, Assaf!!!
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:30
Yes, Joren proposed her and we had a debate about her and other non-rock avant bands/musicians. A debate which we are still having... We also need to consider very carefully what the owners want for this site (it's theirs, not ours, they pay for it!).
Anyway, see my other remarks in my post above.
And thanks Joren! (good to "see" you)
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 09:36
avestin wrote:
Yes, Joren proposed her and we had a debate about her and other non-rock avant bands/musicians. A debate which we are still having... We also need to consider very carefully what the owners want for this site (it's theirs, not ours, they pay for it!).
Anyway, see my other remarks in my post above.
And thanks Joren! (good to "see" you)
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Good to see you too, Assaf. I haven't posted a lot as of late. I have been pretty busy with school the past weeks and I will be for the next few months, too. Besides, my feeling of responsibility for PA is not as big as it used to be, and I feel it might be time for me to move on... Now only that Smegma bio... I WILL DO IT SOMEDAY!
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Posted By: richeym
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 11:36
avestin wrote:
richeym wrote:
In a few days, too busy with work right now to be able to clear it up properly.
And why the heck is she classed as 'prog related' amongst a load of not-very-proggy rock bands? She's the very definition of an avant garde artist, and she doesn't even play rock music - it's classical/jazz/electronic. There's not a single part of the 'prog related' definition that fits what she does.
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Why didn't you speak earlier when we were all talking about she will be in prog-related? In previous pages we proposed it there and the admins say they're giving it an evaluationa and after several days said yes. It's all there, you could have spoken there. |
If I had visited the forum between then and yesterday, yes, I would have spoken, and helped. However, I've been inundated with work the past couple of weeks, plus I was away from the net for a while Also, I had no idea what this site classed as 'prog related' until I looked at that page this morning. It just seems silly to put her in that catagory, when there's actually an avant catagory, and pretty much everyone in the world defines her as an avant-garde artist (hell, I'm even seeing her live at an avant-garde festival in a couple of weeks).
And why are you taking what I'm saying as a personal offence? I'm merely stating my opinion, as someone who's very familiar with both her work, avant-garde music, and progressive music in general. I just figured she belonged in the same catagory that Toby Driver and John Zorn were put in. If this site defines prog music as being a part of 'rock', and being akin to something else that's pre-defined as prog, then I'm beginning to think that there's perhaps not much place for progressive avant-garde musicians on this website right now. Maybe my own definition of 'prog' is skewed in comparison to the general consensus of the userbase of the site, as I'm very much about the progression in the music
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 25 2007 at 13:15
I passed this on to the ZART for them to comment on moving her to Avant.
About the non-rock artists, see my posts above.
Feel free to write a new bio to replace mine.
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