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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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Again, the fact that this thread (and many others) exist is enough proof of how unique his style (in electric guitar) is. Hackett is not an average performer, but a truly creative one. That instrumental number on "Please don't touch" shows how precise can a resource be. So slow and contained, and yet so strong and impressive. I'll take Hackett's playing over any other guitarist, along with Zappa solos.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 18 2007 at 01:44 |
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iguana ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 825 |
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SPOT on, ivan! you have singled out the essence of hackett's playing. i am also sick of useless sting bends and vibratos twds. the final notes of the most clichéd guitar solos. post rock, anyone? |
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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dedokras ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 04 2006 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 635 |
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totally agree with Ivan, too.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I have to admit...Ivan made some good points.
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Aspiring hope ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 03 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 198 |
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Hehe, when you know, you know, and fortunately Ivan does, to our mutual content, but Lamb does present a valid point, also. Back-scratching leanings apart now, I think Hackett's creative singularity isn't questioned, as the pedestal we're all building always has that in mind, including Lamb's; maybe I'm misinterpretating as well, but what's in discussion are our feelings to that unique style of playing, mainly depicted as an imperfection here - which I'm not sure about how Lamb feels exactly, but I don't see it as a necessarily flaw. Perhaps it is misplaced, but it fits the music beautifully in construction of eerie ambiences and spearheading an entire emotional distortion with the guitar's, so this case proves imperfection - if one wishes to call it so - is a manifestation of beauty. In example, I remember someone in this site saying he didn't feel Gilmour's guitar playing was that emotional, for being too clean.
Nearer to the topic: yes, I do find Hackett's guitar sounds disturbing, weird, monstruous, at times, but I love every single note that reaps my mind into fright, riding the apex of the mood established by his fellow members (in early Genesis at the least). Sadly or not, this is all I can say, seeing as I share andu's burden. |
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Flip_Stone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 388 |
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No. Not weird at all. But maybe you are.
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Prayermad ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2006 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 138 |
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I think Hacketts guitar playing is very interesting and fits well into the music that Genesis made. I'm not too sure about his solo stuff cause I haven't really explored that area, but when it comes to Genesis, he was of great importance as well as being immensely talented and inventive.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18576 |
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Nothing "weird" about Hackett's guitar playing to these ears. The man's talent is out of this world. His first four solo albums are simply amazing.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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I don't agree with your opinion of the live-solo in "The Knife". one of the best guitar solos ever in my book |
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Progger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1188 |
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I totally agree that Hackett's distorted guitar sound is annoying. He seems to lose control of his instrument when let loose. I think it's understandable that the other members kept him on a short leash and kept his soloing to a minimum. When given his freedom, his guitar tone & soloing can destroy an album ie, the GTR album.
Ivan's point are also totally flawed. Genesis where NOT a team band. In fact they were the most keyboard driven band outside of ELP. 90% of Genesis's music was keybords, drums and Rutherford's bass, acoustic and twelve string. Go to a Musical Box concert and the Hackett clone looks bored to tears. It's well documented that Hackett's ideas and guitar parts were mostly rejected by the other members. His time keeping was also suspect as evident on many early Genesis boots. I believe that was the reason he was lowered in the mix on 'Seconds Out', though that is only my belief!
First people were claiming he invented the tapping technique but it was proved it has been around since the 50's. Now people are claiming he was the first rock guitarist to use it
![]() I have seen Hackett often enough to know he is a very good guitarist but nothing exceptional! Edited by Progger - April 21 2007 at 12:53 |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Genesis the most keyboard driven band outside ELP? What a strange conclusion, did you miss the 12-string guitars, Hackett his varied guitar work (inventive use of volume-pedal, hammering down, glissando). His interplay with Banks on Wind And Wuthering is awesome and it's a pity that the record company released Seconds Out where Hackett his contribution is almost deleted Edited by erik neuteboom - April 21 2007 at 12:55 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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How can you speak so much nonsensese in so little space?
One week ago you ran out of the thread (After saying Clapton was the inventor of tapping,m that hackett did nothing, etc) whem I wrote this three posts with specific quotes::
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People repeatedly has proved you that
Your own contadictions are amazing inside this post, tyou say: "Genesis where NOT a team band. In fact they were the most keyboard driven band outside of ELP. 90% of Genesis's music was keybords, drums and Rutherford's bass, acoustic and twelve string."
For God's sake you say they are not a team band and you in THW SAMW SWBNTENCE SAY that they are only bass, acoustic guitar, drums and 12 strng guitar!!!!!
And you base your "informed" critics in your appreciation of the face of a tribute guitar player?????????
Really I'm tired of your trolling, you speak nonsenses and when somebody replies you you escape from the threadand search for a new thread to start your insane attacke.
Progger...GET A LIFE...........OR AT LEAST LET US LIVE!!!!!
Iván
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TheLamb ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 18 2005 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 416 |
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Well I don't know how much clearer I can make this... My problem with Hackett is not sound... its that imprecision in his playing that is always apparent to me... But it maybe just me being petty... because humans are not machines, no one plays 100% tight on the click, only machines do... and if people did, it probably wouldn't sound good... While writing this post I suddenly understood something very important... Hackett would not be the same without these imperfections, and If he didn't have them I would like him less... It's just... a part of the magic... of course he COULD play the same inventive music but play it more accurately... but It wouldn't be Hackett... its just, you can't have one without the other... His inventiveness ang genius is inseparable from his bad qualities... I still think The Knife solo from Genesis Live is not a very good one... Neither are any of his solos on "Genesis Live"... but thats just my opinion... I can't stand the smallest inaccuracy in rhythm, or any sort of inaccuracy... and there are way too many big inaccuracies..... It's just annoying, although I do realize that they are a part of him, and 'I wouldn't have him any other way'... but I can't say I love that side of him...
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Progger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 26 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1188 |
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Ivan,
It sounds like I hit a sore nerve with you and that's what the truth often does. I stand by what I wrote and am entitled to my theories and oppinions. This board isn't run by Stalinist Russia.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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But support what you say, give quotes, facts, opibnions, not just speak nonsenses without any suppot and don't lie.
We are giving you HISTORIC FACTS, you deny them and don't say why, you don't even base your opinions in Genesis shiows, but in the face of a tribute guitar player.
YOU CALL PEOPLE LIAR AND YOU DON'T SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. YOU JUST ACCUSE AND THAT'S ALL THAT WAS A STALINIST TACTIC, YOU ACCUSED SOMEBODY OF BEING ANTI-REVOLUTIONARY AND SENT THEM TO JAIL WITHOUT ANY PROVE.
You have the right to give your opinion, but you don't have the right to say people lie or are giving flawed arguments WHEN THEY GIVE YOU FACTS AND YOU GIVE........NOTHING, that's ABUSE.
You ignore any data provided and you insist calling people liars or flawed without giving a single fact.
On other posts you have called Collaborators, Adms and members CORRUPT GENESIS MANIPULATORS and repeatedly, but when people ask you facts, you escape and come back again after a while with the same abuse.
I gave you at least 6 or 8 quotes GIVE ARGUMENTS TO PROVE ALL ARE WRONG.
..........GIVE ANY FACT......AT LEAST ONE..
Iván
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Ivan, don't let you provoke by Progger, his only intention is to provoke, he is one of the increasing amount of persons who has discovered Prog Archives as a perfect place to surpress their negative feelings by nailing others so they can feel superior, very poor and I am concerned that they often succeed to get reactions, I have decided to stop reacting on him, he is not worth to join a serious discussion.
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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Are you talking about clips on YouTube? How can you have seen him live "many times" and not see what we are talking about? |
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dralan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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I really dont care who says they "invented" tapping. Just the fact that Van Halen was the one who exposed it to the world on a large scale makes him a pioneer in that regard, but if you want to give Hackett a gold star for inventing it , then whatever. Anyway Hackett was and remains one of my all-time favorite guitarists. I see nothing horrible or sloppy in his playing at all. He goes for feeling and musicality first and foremost and his electric style is so unique and distinct that whatever warts and flaws there may be I dont really notice. On acoustic and classical he sounds smooth as silk to me. I dont understand the complaints myself.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I agree Erik, but my problem is that this kind of abusive behaviour is making us loose valuable people.
Collaborators are being harrassed for adding bands, I may disagree with the additions and I express my arguments, but some lurkers go further and insult them until they leave.
This kind of people who does nothing for PA harrasess, insults or calls members WHO WORK HERE FOR PURE LOVE LIARS, but when it comes the time to work, they vanish as thin air.
I honestly can't care for this guy less, you are absolutely accurate, but I received comments of members and Collaborators by PM showing some discomfort with this kind of situations.
Any member must be able to give an opinion without being called liar, some new members may be afraid of being insulted without any support.
You or me won't care, we'll probably reply in a harsh way (You know we will
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Never did and never will We're not gonna take you We forsake you Gonna rape you Let's forget you better still. The Who - We're not Gonna Take it. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 21 2007 at 15:19 |
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