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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:11 |
^ why not call something Grunge Prog if it's progressive and based on Grunge? Regardless of whether something like that exists or not, it would be better to use two established words to describe it than invent a new word, or abuse a combination of words which is either much more general or means something different.
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:21 |
Nu-Prog's a reasonable title. Just because you dont agree with the bands named doesnt mean its a bad idea.
NU-Prog....Muse,Radiohead et al...why the heck not?
This "over-classification" argument bugs me. Ok, it can get a bit anal at times but how do you describe or compare different types of Pop music without these classifications?
Comparing Genesis to Elvis shows why we need grand titles like Prog Rock.
Comparing Genesis to Dream Theater demonstrates the need for Prog Genres.
Comparing Genesis to Anglagard is why we need further classification.
These are titles you use or you dont. Every art form has these classifications and only if you think that popular music is not a reasonable topic for study should you be uncomfortable thinking about them.
Inverted Snobbery I think the term is... ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:21 |
^ Well some of the bands that are coming out may require a different name because they do not fit well into another category. How many Grunge Prog bands would we see in the future? Probably few, based one major element of Grunge is angst, and Fish-Marillion was the last of that, IMO. But other elements, a hard rock, yet not metal sound is evident is some of these newer quasi-Prog bands. They may in fact be part of the future and evolve into definitive Prog. I still think Nu Prog gives them a place to reside as they don't really fit anywhere else.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:22 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
^ Well some of the bands that are coming out may require a different name because they do not fit well into another category. How many Grunge Prog bands would we see in the future? Probably few, based one major element of Grunge is angst, and Fish-Marillion was the last of that, IMO. But other elements, a hard rock, yet not metal sound is evident is some of these newer quasi-Prog bands. They may in fact be part of the future and evolve into definitive Prog. I still think Nu Prog gives them a place to reside as they don't really fit anywhere else.
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That was going back to Mike's post.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 09:29 |
Tony R wrote:
Nu-Prog's a reasonable title. Just because you dont agree with the bands named doesnt mean its a bad idea.
NU-Prog....Muse,Radiohead et al...why the heck not? |
Because neither Muse nor Radiohead sound anything like Limp Bizkuit or Linkin Park.
StyLaZyn wrote:
Well some of the bands that are coming out may require a different name
because they do not fit well into another category. How many Grunge
Prog bands would we see in the future? Probably few, based one major
element of Grunge is angst, and Fish-Marillion was the last of that,
IMO. But other elements, a hard rock, yet not metal sound is evident is
some of these newer quasi-Prog bands. They may in fact be part of the
future and evolve into definitive Prog. I still think Nu Prog gives
them a place to reside as they don't really fit anywhere else. |
I just think that calling all these bands "Nu" is ridiculous ... and calling them "New Prog" without any other connotations is ok, but essentially just saying that they're new bands making prog music, which doesn't tell you much about them.
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:16 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ unfortunately none of these bands sound like or are influenced by Nu Metal, which makes it even worse. |
And it makes it worse how? ![Confused](smileys/smiley5.gif)
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well, nu metal was esentually metal + alternative + rap
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:33 |
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:42 |
OK...like a prog Linkin Park? Sounds decent to me.
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:46 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
OK...like a prog Linkin Park? Sounds decent to me.
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do you have any idea of how hard it would be to rap over anything not in 4/4, didn't think so. ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:47 |
^ Pain of Salvation - Used. You can listen to the track for free on their website!
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:51 |
^^^
well, that does sound like nu metal.
He cant rap that well, but hey, no white man can. ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:53 |
I did some Googling. Another link to nu-prog? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nu-prog
Nu Prog Fusion? http://www.bigbangmethod.com/ (These guys are good)
Uh-oh...emo and nu prog in the same playlist?? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Standing-against-backlash-Emo-Prog/lm/R6GYNZDC72CRU
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 14:55 |
Ok that last site scared the flying F*** out of me, what does Panic! at the disco have to do with prog. Shoot me now.![Dead](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 15:06 |
Proletariat wrote:
Ok that last site scared the flying F*** out of me, what does Panic! at the disco have to do with prog. Shoot me now.![Dead](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif) |
Well, I wonder if the drama factor sometimes could be mistaken for progressive. Spin magazine had the balls to call My Chemical Romance the new Queen.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 15:32 |
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do you have any idea of how hard it would be to rap over anything not in 4/4, didn't think so. ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) |
All the more reason for it to be Prog! Takes serious talent, not just inflective recital, yes? ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) Actually, I am not a big fan of rap, but Prog rap could change that.
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 15:48 |
I know, it kills me. MCR has the balls to compare themselves to Pink Floyd.
and yes prog rap might be better, the turntables never reached thier full potental as an actual instrument, There are some more prog-ish rappers out there, but they would never call themselves prog.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:35 |
Proletariat wrote:
I know, it kills me. MCR has the balls to compare themselves to Pink Floyd.
and yes prog rap might be better, the turntables never reached thier full potental as an actual instrument, There are some more prog-ish rappers out there, but they would never call themselves prog. |
The sheer audacity for one to formally compare themselves....it speaks volumes about what they don't know.
I won't give myself any acknowledge of the turntable reference, merely because I don't know. Percussively...it COULD be a challenge. But it has limits.
And I agree. Any rapper self-fulling would never consider himself/herself prog. But that shows where the artist dies.
edited for selfish font reasons.........
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 23:48 |
Proletariat wrote:
do you have any idea of how hard it would be to rap over anything not in 4/4, didn't think so. ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) |
It looks like you guys haven't heard of the Anticon label where Indie Rap galores (not really prog rap, but I can't think of another thing closer to it) Subtle has a song not in 4/4 and it sounds pretty proggy if you ask me. The song is called Middleclass Stomp. And for the Indie Rap I'm talking about then check out Subtle - A New White. I assure you you'll never in your life think that Rap was going to get this far.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 10:28 |
I dont see the relevance of that statement. Nu Jazz bands dont sound like Limp Bizkit either...![Confused](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 12:18 |
Tony R wrote:
I dont see the relevance of that statement. Nu Jazz bands dont sound like Limp Bizkit either...![Confused](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
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I don't think that there are many people who use the term "Nu Jazz" either. There are some (I found the wikipedia page), but in essence it simply means "New Jazz". The word "Nu" was first and foremost used for a particular style of metal in the 1990s ... of course you can simply define "Nu" as "1990s", I just don't see the point.
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