How Worthless Are You?

Peter Rideout wrote: The Miracle wrote: 100% worthless. Humans are all worthless, pathetic creatures. What about art? Do you pay for music, or is that product of universally "worthless" humans also worthless to you?Music and art in general is the most useless thing in the universe...it serves no other purpose than egotistical ones (for the creator) and purely impractical ones (for the listener or whatever)... it doesn't help in the preservation and subsistence of the species which is the utter goal of mankind... mankind has no other goal but to... keep on being... and art is useless, unlike most any other prefession or human activity... BUT... is that useless-ness that makes art beautiful.... because it's the one moment we don't act having just our tangible guture as species in mind... is the one time we truly create... the one time we are like semi-gods..... Humans have added considerable beauty to the world, via art.Yes... we don't need it... we're just more complicated animals, but you're right, and thank heavens for that. If 'god" were about to exterminate us all, I'd use art (and other things) as a reason not to. Probably that would be one of his reasons... He would say: "I giveth you hands and brains so you could make this world a better place, but instead, you wasted your time creating paintings and sounds.... Thy existence is not more a necessity..." If I felt as you claim to, I'd have to seriously consider suicide (please don't, though)! Yes, please...At least before hearing my words... I'd wager you won't always feel that way. I vividly remember feeling as you've stated, when in my teens/early 20s. Life can get better with maturity, finding real love, and working toward a meaningful vocation. Try to believe in yourself, and build a better future!For sure, and we hope it works out that way... People that have too much time to think in useless things like me end up either writing new philosophy treatiesd or going completely insane...or both..... My God whay are we so complicated when all we want is to keep on living? I have to give it to the people that just...LIVE. People that don't want to either achieve inomrtality or create art or be rich or glory or nothing.. people that just...LIVE. BTW, is that cheery, murderous fellow in your sig pic you? Remember that guy from the goth site, who'd posted pics of himself with weapons, then went on a high school shooting rampage? No one spoke up or found the pics unusual..... Oh my God... 1-800-FBI-DANGER.... quickly!!!

Peter Rideout wrote: The Miracle wrote: 100% worthless. Humans are all worthless, pathetic creatures. What about art? Do you pay for music, or is that product of universally "worthless" humans also worthless to you? Humans have added considerable beauty to the world, via art. If 'god" were about to exterminate us all, I'd use art (and other things) as a reason not to. If I felt as you claim to, I'd have to seriously consider suicide (please don't, though)! I'd wager you won't always feel that way. I vividly remember feeling as you've stated, when in my teens/early 20s. Life can get better with maturity, finding real love, and working toward a meaningful vocation. Try to believe in yourself, and build a better future! BTW, is that cheery, murderous fellow in your sig pic you? Remember that guy from the goth site, who'd posted pics of himself with weapons, then went on a high school shooting rampage? No one spoke up or found the pics unusual.....

I've seriously considered suicide many, many times... But I'll never do it so don't worry.

I do believe in myself, "I am god" as Mike(from Stranger In A Strange Land used to say... I feel like that most of the time. The most interesting people I know are on this forum - my peers are boring and cliched(I HATE teenagers), and in most people find shallowness and ignorance.

I agree that art is the best thing that came out of the human race.

No, that's not me in my sig. I'll have to wait another year or so for my hair to become that beautiful, it's only doen to my chin right now. It's Varg Vikernes(Burzum), creator of some of the most touching music I know, same guy as in my avvy. He's just screwing around with knives. Ironically, he did kill a man, but that incident was nothing special. Want me to change my sig? There are more appealing pics of him.



He's nothing scary, on the contrary, the essence of coolness.


Edited by The Miracle - March 23 2007 at 21:05

Unix wrote: He sure doesn't look like the kind of person who could kill someone without remorse

Yep.  Interesting that the maximum sentence is only 21 years in norway 

^Yeah, he doesn't feel too sorry about it, but then he feels it was provoked by Euronymous, which it kinda was...

Unix wrote: Yep.  Interesting that the maximum sentence is only 21 years in norway

Yeah, but on the other hand it's not bad, maybe he'll release a couple more yummy albums in the classic style unlike the last two synth-only albums(the only instrument he was allowed in prison...)

James Lee wrote: I personally suspect that Peter is worth more than most of us, combined.

Nah. he's not. He only makes everyone look smarter around here (to the outside world).

And he's certainly not worthwhile when it comes down to threads like these.   

Harkmark wrote: The essence of coolness...

I actually meant physical appearance/hair by that...

But once again, the Euronymous incident is nothing special, and it has nothing to do with his beliefs or attitudes. The church burnings... well, all kids screw around That's the part of Vargs biography I actually resent to be honest. Otherwise I relate to him in many ways. and I adore his music.

If I die, you all cease to exist, my family ceases to exist, the WORLD ceases to exist.. it may be true that it doesn't happen, and that when I die, everything keep on going, nothing changes, you are still alive, my family is still alive, the world is the same place, just one person short. But there won't be any way to prove it before you die, and once dead, everything dissapears. If I die, my whole world dies. I'm the reason everything else outside of me exists. So I am worthwhile only because I am so for myself. In this illusion that live is, I'll try to make other people's lives better, at least those that my influence can reach. But the fact still remains that my demise will bring the end of the world for me, and, ergo, for everything. I won't be around if that's not the case and, anyway, the only world, reality that matters is the one I perceive. So I CAN"T let myself die because I'd be putting an end to everything. So I'm worthwhile. At least for that and until the time to end the illusion arrives.

In the grand scheme.....I guess pretty damn worthless.

The Miracle wrote: ^The music is nothing aggressive, It's very atmospheric, ambient Black Metal, not heavy and very emotional in a melancholic way, inspired by Norwegian nature and folk legends. Did you read the whole story or just the Euronymous part? He talks about the influences in the origins and the music sections. The whole Burzum story is interesting, it's in the Library section. I'll "recommend" you an album soon

Cool. Thanks! I only read the story though, but it was a very interesting read. I read the reviews of his 1994 release and it sounds like an album I would enjoy. I'll add it to my wishlist as well.