How Worthless Are You?
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Topic: How Worthless Are You?
Posted By: Pnoom!
Subject: How Worthless Are You?
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 17:20
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I've been wondering ever since I joined the site...
Just how worthless are you? In the grand scheme of things, of course. Or Not. Me, I'm sorta worthless. Feel free to have in-depth discussions about just how worthless one person or another is. |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 17:26
I'm constantly living towards finding what I am meant for, on this world. Like the son of a ... I am and can't progress from...
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 17:57
| Ok, but how worthless are you? |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:04
Harry WORTH ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:06
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100% worthless. Humans are all worthless, pathetic creatures.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:07
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At home (father, husband) and at work (teacher), I feel worthwhile. I'm also a good friend to my friends.  My dog and my goldfish seem to like me, too -- particularly at feeding time....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:19
What about art? Do you pay for music, or is that product of universally "worthless" humans also worthless to you?  Humans have added considerable beauty to the world, via art. If "god" were about to exterminate us all, I'd propose art (and other things) as a reason not to.  If I felt as you claim to, I'd have to seriously consider suicide (please don't, though)!  I'd wager you won't always feel that way. I vividly remember feeling as you've stated, when in my teens/early 20s. Life can get better with maturity, finding real love, and working toward a meaningful vocation. Try to believe in yourself, and build a better future! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
The Miracle wrote:Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:24
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I still don't know yet. Right now I'm not contributing to society except for paying taxes. We'll see how useful I am after college. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:26
Do you have any friends? Parents? I bet you're of considerable worth to them! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:28
 I'm not as bad as Ansen, although I don't think he's a danger. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:29
| Peter, stop it. You're spoiling a perfectly sad thread with your optimism. |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:34
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Just watch, Peter is going to open a thread about how young people feel worthless even though they have everything to live for. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:37
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I don't feel worthless, just confused.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:39
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I picked the 2 cents option. I'm pretty worthless, unremarkable and trite, and I won't be changing the world. LAPLACE SUCKS :P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:47
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:53
| So worthless that I spend all my time floccinaucihilipilificating, just because it sounds cool. Others wise I'm worth just a tiny bi tmore than a drum machine, unless the drum machine is soloing for 18 minutes. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 18:56
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floccinaucihilipilificating,
Nice word. Pro-noun; meaning ? -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Unix
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 19:00
I'm in highschool. I'm completely worthless 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 19:06
Floccinaucihilipilificate: to estimate oneself as worthless. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 19:52
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Nobody has a clue about their own worth. Even someone who thinks enough of you to dismiss you attaches more worth to you than a complete stranger. You never know- you could have said two words to someone in passing that was worth more to them than a decades-long relationship means to a fickle friend. Kinda funny that people are most likely to interpret the thread title as "how highly do you think of yourself?". That aspect is probably the most worthless thing about you....or is it? Only by our own perceptions do we apprehend reality, so a thorough judgement of our own worth is an appraisal of existence in entirety. So anyway, I think I'm pretty worthless but you'd have to ask everyone who's ever known me before you got any kind of accurate answer. Most likely they'd agree, but you never know. I personally suspect that Peter is worth more than most of us, combined. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 19:57
Hey James. Miss you bro.
 I'll be meeting Peter.... and Jimmie G this summer. After a few pints none of us will be worth a healthy tip for the waitress.
 Worth = Happiness. If you ain't happy, or content, life sucks.
IMHO, at least.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 20:05
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 20:09
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Not trying to sound like an arse, but I feel worthwhile.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:03
I've seriously considered suicide many, many times... But I'll never do it so don't worry.I do believe in myself, "I am god" as Mike(from Stranger In A Strange Land used to say... I feel like that most of the time. The most interesting people I know are on this forum - my peers are boring and cliched(I HATE teenagers), and in most people find shallowness and ignorance. I agree that art is the best thing that came out of the human race. No, that's not me in my sig. I'll have to wait another year or so for my hair to become that beautiful, it's only doen to my chin right now. It's Varg Vikernes(Burzum), creator of some of the most touching music I know, same guy as in my avvy. He's just screwing around with knives. Ironically, he did http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story02.shtml - kill a man , but that incident was nothing special. Want me to change my sig? There are more appealing pics of him.  He's nothing scary, on the contrary, the essence of coolness.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Unix
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:12
He sure doesn't look like the kind of person who could kill someone without remorse 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:14
I assume that's what happens when you surround yourself with medieval cultural traits, such as honor and justified killing. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:21
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From Varg's story: Euronymous hated Varg for becoming more popular than him and plotted to kill Varg, about which Varg found out, went to Euronymous' house to tell him to f**k off, where Euronymous attacked him(first), which resulted in a fight in the end of which Varg killed Euronymous. A stupid teenage quarrel that has nothing to do with honor or medieval culture ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Unix
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:25
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Yep. Interesting that the maximum sentence is only 21 years in norway
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:27
I quite got the impression it was about that sort of thing, not expressedly mentioned. He seemed to brush killing a person off far too lightly. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 21:31
^Yeah, he doesn't feel too sorry about it, but then he feels it was provoked by Euronymous, which it kinda was...
Yeah, but on the other hand it's not bad, maybe he'll release a couple more yummy albums in the classic style unlike the last two synth-only albums(the only instrument he was allowed in prison...) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:06
   The essence of coolness...  |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:07
Nah. he's not. He only makes everyone look smarter around here (to the outside world). And he's certainly not worthwhile when it comes down to threads like these. 
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:20
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That was an interesting case... I think I'm going to translate it and bring it to my criminal law teacher for her to analyze it. ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:26
I actually meant physical appearance/hair by that... But once again, the Euronymous incident is nothing special, and it has nothing to do with his beliefs or attitudes. The church burnings... well, all kids screw around That's the part of Vargs biography I actually resent to be honest. Otherwise I relate to him in many ways. and I adore his music.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:32
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Reading all of that story made me even more interested in listening to Burzum (I heard the name many times and I became curious, but this story took the cake).
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:36
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If I die, you all cease to exist, my family ceases to exist, the WORLD ceases to exist.. it may be true that it doesn't happen, and that when I die, everything keep on going, nothing changes, you are still alive, my family is still alive, the world is the same place, just one person short. But there won't be any way to prove it before you die, and once dead, everything dissapears. If I die, my whole world dies. I'm the reason everything else outside of me exists. So I am worthwhile only because I am so for myself. In this illusion that live is, I'll try to make other people's lives better, at least those that my influence can reach. But the fact still remains that my demise will bring the end of the world for me, and, ergo, for everything. I won't be around if that's not the case and, anyway, the only world, reality that matters is the one I perceive. So I CAN"T let myself die because I'd be putting an end to everything. So I'm worthwhile. At least for that and until the time to end the illusion arrives. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:39
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^The music is nothing aggressive, It's very atmospheric, ambient Black Metal, not heavy and very emotional in a melancholic way, inspired by Norwegian nature and folk legends. Did you read the whole story or just the Euronymous part? He talks about the influences in the http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story01.shtml - origins and the http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story06.shtml - music sections. The whole Burzum story is interesting, it's in the Library section. I'll "recommend" you an album soon
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:39
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In the grand scheme.....I guess pretty damn worthless.
I think I have some family friends that make me pretty damn worthwhile right now though.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:49
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Since we are all part of this great universal organism, we all have value. No one is worthless. You can't devalue a part, without doing the same to the whole. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:50
Cool. Thanks! I only read the story though, but it was a very interesting read. I read the reviews of his 1994 release and it sounds like an album I would enjoy. I'll add it to my wishlist as well. -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 23:35
I see, and I'm very glad you weren't offended by my concern that it might be you. As a teacher, I have very real, immediate reasons to takes pictures of young people posing with weapons seriously. There have been incidences I can't really talk about -- and not just far away ones. I have had DIRECT experience of such matters, more than once, I assure you, and cause to feel less than secure at work, from time to time. (Right now, as we speak, one of my favourite students is living in fear because of death threats from her ex-boyfriend (still out there somewhere). While working in a hospital in downtown Toronto for ten years as well, I got to see some of the lethal results of youth gangs and guns, and weaponry such as that which appeared in that other pic. I don't appreciate an earlier poster's sarcasm toward my earlier concern in this regard. I am no panicked, over-reacting fool or prude, and this is NOT a funny or minor subject. In my profession, we have to act on such concerns and err on the side of caution if we are to err. Enough said.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 23:38
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Isn't the actual value of all the chemicals in your body 2 cents? Or is it 2 dollars?
Anyway, that's how much I'm worth -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 23:52
If it's about me (of course it is) I'm sorry. I've always found that humor is not a bad medicine, also that a good way to treat somebody's problems is to make them appear as what they are, a man's problems, not an unsurmountable dilemma or some larger-than-life crisis... Sorry again.. You know, I've lived through dark, dark hours, maybe darker than most people here, and when I overcame everything was when I started acting like the problem was a solveable, manageable, human problem. And for me sarcasm and humour, irony but also support were keys. Nobody erred on the side of caution with me, I give you that professor. Maybe if somebody did things would've been...wait, nothing would've changed.
Anyway, sorry, but it was not sarcasm. It was plain stupid humor. maybe bad humor, bad that's what it was. And many deceases are cured with that even before we let Freud's students get in.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 00:30
No probs, Chai, , and I like your posts -- but that one struck a nerve (as you can now understand).I quite agree with your thoughts on the usefulness of humour in dealing with horror, BTW. As the original pic at issue has been removed, let's just put this behind us. The pic had been bothering me for some time, in truth -- we can't post breasts (and I support that, and breasts too ), but people posing with/glamorizing weapons meant to maim/kill humans seemed to be acceptable to the powers that be. (I've since edited out my original comments on it, but they've been quoted.)Anyway, now you and I know and understand each other better -- that's always a good thing!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 00:34
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i feel kinda worthless, and could be pretty worthless
but if there's someone who can tell if i'm worthless or not, i guess it would be God 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 00:44
Yes. Of course! Just one thing, and forgive me my (this one is) unsurmountable ignorance: what is Chai? I'm sure is T in some language. i could research it, but you're the professor. Time to earn those credentials...  -------------
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 00:50
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I am totally worthless but accordingly I am thus not obligated to do anything (or still )
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 02:01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai - Ha! "Chai," if I'm not mistaken, is simply the Hindi (Indian) word for tea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai - Chai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn North America, it refers to spiced tea, which is now widely available. (It is fragrantly spiced with cinnamon, cardamom, etc -- not spicy hot.) Check it out -- my family and I quite like it. Nice with a dollop of honey!    ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 02:11
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BTW, you'll almost certainly feel much less worthless after a warming, soothing mug of CHAI!
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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 02:54
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I am nothing
A shadow on my neighours wall
Pestilence, in their garden.
I make small talk
And bigger commotions.
My face is red with life, yet I feel no purpose.
My space will be filled.
My space will be void.
Those, who are many, will play the pageant
While others will succeed.
I'll just fill my gap
With something to repeat. ------------- Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan ringed by ants and musing over man. |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 08:25
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Indeed value (of anything) comes only by the relation to a fruition, just like use comes from the relation to the purpose or fulfillment comes from the relation to expectations etc. And just like T, I have come to think one's basic worth is that for oneself. As for me, my life sucks as I have come to lose most of the things I need and cherish , so from this point of view I'm pretty worthless to myself. I have also broken the relations with family and friends in order to endure the emptiness, so there's nothing worthy for any side coming from this part. I am worth 300 euro/month for the guys I work for and that's a decent... appreciation in this part of the world, but again I'm not satisfied (this goes very well together with my post on the "Do you like your job" poll). BTW, "ceai" (to be pronounced "chai") means tea in my language, too. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 11:03
| A bit worthless. Actually, at the moment I'm kinda worthless, but in the future I'm planning to be considerably less worthless, probably only slightly worthless. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 11:17
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 11:18
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 13:02
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Hmm.... as a 17-year old who's academically strong, takes the usefull classes(math, physics and chemistry) at school, and has a promising future as a well-earning, tax-paying participant, I'm worth quite a bit to the Norwegian society, I guess... And emotionally speaking, I believe my family finds me far from worthless. And as a decent guitar player, I guess I'm worth something to the band I play in... And as a Pepsi Max addict, I guess I'm Pepsi finds me a customer of a certain worth.... and all of that is fine and dandy But in the grand scheme, I'm nothing. As cheesy as it may be, "in the end, it doesn't even matter"(Linkin Park )Not that that bothers me(much) in any way though. I find purpose to live and breathe every day. ------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 13:06
You hit on a couple of important things there Andu. Value is something we assign. It is an illusion, something created in the mind. Expectations are some of the most dangerous things around. We create them based on the same kind of delusional thinking. When they don't come to fruition, we are unhappy. You also mentioned loss. We feel loss, because of the level of attachment (or value) we place on things. In reality, they have no value as such. They are just things, like any other. I lost everything I owned, my friends, and my freedom a while back. I came out of it with the realization that there is actually nothing to have. Everything just exists as it does, and life flows as it will. This was the most liberating thing I had ever experienced. I now see endless opportunity, where there was nothing but hopelessness before. When existence is viewed from a wider perspective, individual gains lose their importance. The motive for improving myself now, is to make the world a better place. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 14:04
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I am worthless.
At least I always feel worthless...especially to the people (or person) I care about most. There seems to be only a handful of people who would care if I wasn't here, and that If i was never here to begin with not much would be different.
So...overall...I gotta say...I am pretty damn worthless. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 14:10
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Eh, as long as the word "value" remains undefined, the word "worthless" will have no meaning either. ------------- sig |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 15:01
I used to have those feelings as well. What I finally realized is that everyone else has the same delusional thinking. You can't see your worth as reflected through someone else's eyes. They haven't got it figured out either. I used to feel very lonely, even when I was around large numbers of people. Now I don't socialize that often, don't have a significant other, and I don't feel lonely at all.
Well said.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 15:11
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Society does nothing but lower a person's worth. Just a thought, but I'm glad I'm living now rather than in the future. This world isn't going to last much longer. We'll destroy it. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 17:07
Hmm...well thats very intriging...and a good point.
I guess I'm just searching for a purpose right now. I have no job, no responsibilities anywhere, no better half, few hobbies, and most of the time just wind up sitting around thinking how much I'm wasting the "most important years of my life"...as its put so many times. I sincerely hope that once I find something that gives me some importance in life (assuming I do) this feeling will go away.
Also, generally, when socializing I feel better, for one reason I don't have the time to sit and analyze my situation. I just want to enjoy things now, and when I don't get the chance to it gets me further down. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 17:11
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You people, stop taking this thread seriously and treat it as the worthless place for worthless (and meaningless) discussion that it is.
Or else it will have served no purpose, and will truly have been... worthless. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 19:19
Hey...you opened up the floodgates... ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 20:02
So what you're saying is, worthless is worthless because we can't define it. Which, if you really think about it, is a really cool vicious circle. -------------   |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 21:35
Stonies a psychic 
Or maybe just stoned...
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 23:04
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 23:30
Probably very much so in the grand scheme of things, but not enough for it to bother me at all on a personal level. I have beautiful music, I am happy. I wish others here could share my views, since we all have beautiful music, and despite the fact that society is going downhill, we still have music and should be happy for that fact alone (I love many things on this planet besides music of course, many of which I cannot explain...)  ------------- 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 00:02
Well, you've hit on something that is very important to me. I have spent a lot of time working out these very issues. It goes right to the heart of why most people aren't very happy. I don't like to see people suffer, especially when they don't have to. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 00:07
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^^^^
I understand where you're coming from, I just don't like to see it hijacking my perfectly worthless thread... You understand that anything I post in here is not at all serious (EXCEPT THIS PART OF THIS POST). I honestly don't care what you talk about in this thread (in fact, if it helps people, I'm all for it), but keep in mind that I like my fun and I will nag you about it. Just pay me no mind. And back to not being serious now: DREAM THEATER ROCKS! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 00:55
I with you on fun. I'm sure you know that I'm not against a good joke (or even a cheap shot ).
BTW, Do you know where I can find a Dream Theater thermos to go with my Dream Theater Lunch Box?
------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 01:01
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You can have my Jordan Rudess travel mug... |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 01:07
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