Tool

chamberry wrote: ^^^^  And yes, Akin, Prog Metal HAS NO boundaries.

I agree with that statement. That's the beauty of Progressive music. It could just about be anything. I mean I think The Beatle's White album was progressive to this day but if you asked a high school kid what he thought he probably has never even heard of the Beatles.

The way I see it is thank God for progressive music. If not for it we'd be shoved American Idol up our nether regions until blood shot from our eardrums.

So I guess in the end I don't like Tool. Are they progressive?? Too many people say they are and who am I to argue with the masses. They're just not my cup of tea.

But at least they're better than Country music.

chamberry wrote: And yes, Akin, Prog Metal HAS NO boundaries.

Neither does THIS guy!

Trickster F. wrote: akin wrote: Well, it was not a surprise to me when I noticed that metal-archives doesn't list any nu-metal band...    They list darkwave/neofolk/neoclassical projects however. And Tool... Nu-Metal? Erm, what?

Only said projects made by members or ex members of bands that are metal.

EDIT: Also, I am sure members of this site who enjoy metal agree that tool are not prog metal. They are prog hard rock, perhaps, but not prog-metal. When listening, one must consider context. If tool created aenima in 1978, they would be considered metal, but at that time Led Zeppelin were considered heavy metal. The definitions of Rock, and Metal have changed over the past thirty year's, and Tool have been caught in a sort of genre purgatory. The reason 10,000 days sounds 'metallic' is because they did a tour with meshuggah before recording the album. Otherwise, there really isnt any argument. Anger and screaming does not make one metal band. EG: Dragonforce.

The guitar player doesn't even use all that much distortion, either.


Edited by Thobjorn - March 20 2007 at 21:58

Daydreamyng wrote: The way I see it is thank God for progressive music. If not for it we'd be shoved American Idol up our nether regions until blood shot from our eardrums.

There is a good argument to be made that Tool, technically speaking, are not heavy metal.. which would mean that they are not prog metal either. Where does that leave us? Well if the Progmetal team ever decide to kick them out, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it... but don't hold your breath.

I thought metal and heavy metal were two different things. 

So I guess in the end I don't like Tool. Are they progressive?? Too many people say they are and who am I to argue with the masses. They're just not my cup of tea. But at least they're better than Country music.

I think that is a better way say to you don't Tool.

Daydreamyng wrote: Maybe I should clarify. I didn't say that they weren't metal. I just don't think they're a good metal band. I don't think they're progressive. My girlfriend listens to them. I just don't like them. There's stuff I like that most here wouldn't like. It's in the individual's taste I suppose. My opinion was to state that I don't think they should be considered prog metal. I mean I think Testament, Exodus, Slayer, Megadeth, Death, Savatage, Dream Theater, etc. are prog metal but with the exception of DT those bands never get mentioned here. In that regards I think Trivium should be a prog band. They are a lot better than Tool in my humble opinion. I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't get it. But 99.99 percent of the people here do. I'm just expressing my own personal point of view.

Oh dear lord...

I love the way people use 'my opinion' to cover up and insure themselves against their own idiotic comments.
With regards to those bands you mentioned, apart from DT and possibly Death, they're thrash and heavy metal, they follow simple song structre, keeping the time sigs nice and standard an basically rehash the same old stuff with every release.
I don't care if the musical pieces are complex, I mean classical music's complex but it isn't prog.

Oh, and Tool could play Trivium off the stage to be quite frank.

darkmatter wrote: I thought metal and heavy metal were two different things.

Thobjorn wrote: coleio wrote: Daydreamyng wrote: Maybe I should clarify. I didn't say that they weren't metal. I just don't think they're a good metal band. I don't think they're progressive. My girlfriend listens to them. I just don't like them. There's stuff I like that most here wouldn't like. It's in the individual's taste I suppose. My opinion was to state that I don't think they should be considered prog metal. I mean I think Testament, Exodus, Slayer, Megadeth, Death, Savatage, Dream Theater, etc. are prog metal but with the exception of DT those bands never get mentioned here. In that regards I think Trivium should be a prog band. They are a lot better than Tool in my humble opinion. I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't get it. But 99.99 percent of the people here do. I'm just expressing my own personal point of view. Oh dear lord... I love the way people use 'my opinion' to cover up and insure themselves against their own idiotic comments. With regards to those bands you mentioned, apart from DT and possibly Death, they're thrash and heavy metal, they follow simple song structre, keeping the time sigs nice and standard an basically rehash the same old stuff with every release. I don't care if the musical pieces are complex, I mean classical music's complex but it isn't prog. Oh, and Tool could play Trivium off the stage to be quite frank. While tool are a million times better than trivium, and I endorse nothing said by the poster you replied to, I think its naive to assume that musical ability means technical ability. I am sure trivium could play way more complex stuff than tool, they just haven't listened to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and Discipline enough times to be able to "think" it up yet.

I can't see just because Trivium play pretty fast, melodic guitar pieces that they're better than Tool, and could outplay them. I find Tool's music very cleverly put together, and if they wanted to insert melody and speed then they could do so with ease.

Fortunately, this would compromise the brilliant style of their music so they probably won't be doing it any time in the near future, which is a jolly good thing to be quite honest. The last thing we need is more generic, mundane metalcore thankyou very much.

magnus wrote: Shakespeare wrote: Tool is not a band I love. I've only heard their '10,000 days' album and it was not exactly love at first sight. Not that I disliked it - I just don't love them. But yes, they could definatley be Art Rock, not Prog Metal. I can see them as both, really. I recommend you Lateralus. It's definitely a MUCH better starting point if you wanna get into Tool, in my opinion at least. Ænima is also better than 10,000 days(once again, in my opinion).

Thanks for that tip. By the way, is 10,000 a concept album about drugs, or am I just crazy?