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Points: 7606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 09:41
Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.


That's a failure of nomenclature, as nu-metal is in effect an offshoot of alternative rock, as opposed to heavy metal.


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Points: 1678 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 09:55
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of
Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.

That's a failure of nomenclature, as nu-metal is in effect an offshoot of alternative rock, as opposed to heavy metal.


i second that... Tool's music has nothing to do with nu-metal/crossover/hardcore or anything like that..

Tool are pure prog rock and it takes a lot more than tuned down strings, distorted guitars and angry vocals to be considered metal..
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Points: 22 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 11:02
Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.
 
who said art rock
 
for example.........wheres the metal in schism or reflection??
 
where's the metal in wings for marie (I & II)?
 
where's the metal in jimmy?
 
...its a long list


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Points: 31619 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 11:07
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If you put Tool in art rock, why not put Fates Warning in art rock as well. FW are less heavy than Tool.


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^It's not about heaviness. Tool just doesn't sound Metal-ish. I also think they should be moved to Art Rock.
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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 12:03
Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.
 
who said art rock
 
for example.........wheres the metal in schism or reflection??
 
where's the metal in wings for marie (I & II)?
 
where's the metal in jimmy?
 
...its a long list


Well, you can do this to almost every metal band. For example, Metallica. Where is the metal on Unforgiven, Fade to Black, Mama Said, Hero of the Day, etc?

And many people said art rock, just check the posts.
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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 12:06
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of
Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.

That's a failure of nomenclature, as nu-metal is in effect an offshoot of alternative rock, as opposed to heavy metal.


i second that... Tool's music has nothing to do with nu-metal/crossover/hardcore or anything like that..

Tool are pure prog rock and it takes a lot more than tuned down strings, distorted guitars and angry vocals to be considered metal..


We know that Tool has its amount of prog, but to the mainstream like you or not they are associated with the nu-metal movement.
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Points: 3491 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 13:14
Yawn.. yes they are prog metal or art metal or whatever.
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Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

 

I consider tool a rock band........ with their own unique sound...... 

Adam's riffing is very metallic....but they are far beyond the boundaries of metal or prog-metal... 

 
Prog-Metal has NO boundaries.
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Points: 104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 14:26
Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Tool Art Rock? One of the biggest complains of people who complains of Tool is that they are more a pure Metal (nu-metal) band than prog Metal.

Everything that Tool has ever done cannot be dissociated from metal.
 
who said art rock
 
for example.........wheres the metal in schism or reflection??
 
where's the metal in wings for marie (I & II)?
 
where's the metal in jimmy?
 
...its a long list


Yes, but for all those we have:
Parabola
The Grudge
Jambi
AEnima
Stinkfist
Ticks and Leeches
Triad

and I didnt even touch Undertow or Opiate.
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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 14:37
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

 

I consider tool a rock band........ with their own unique sound...... 

Adam's riffing is very metallic....but they are far beyond the boundaries of metal or prog-metal... 

 
Prog-Metal has NO boundaries.


No boundaries? Good, let's add Bee Gees and Prog Metal then.
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Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Ermm
 
If you put Tool in art rock, why not put Fates Warning in art rock as well. FW are less heavy than Tool.


Actually, from No Exit and before, I'd say they're heavier than Tool....though they did kind of tone down the heaviness after No Exit. Ironically, I think I hear Tool influences in their modern era either way


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it seems a lot of people here seem to think that anything that is remotely heavy is metal, check http://metal-archives.com
for what is really metal.

btw saying fw is not metal because they are less heavy then tool is a joke, fw is metal because they were a power metal band that developed into progressive metal. listen to awaken the guardian -  its a defining moment in metal history
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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 16:39
Well, it was not a surprise to me when I noticed that metal-archives doesn't list any nu-metal band... 
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Points: 5308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 16:42
Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Well, it was not a surprise to me when I noticed that metal-archives doesn't list any nu-metal band... 
 
They list darkwave/neofolk/neoclassical projects however. And Tool... Nu-Metal? Erm, what?
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Originally posted by myplague myplague wrote:

it seems a lot of people here seem to think that anything that is remotely heavy is metal, check http://metal-archives.com
for what is really metal.

btw saying fw is not metal because they are less heavy then tool is a joke, fw is metal because they were a power metal band that developed into progressive metal. listen to awaken the guardian -  its a defining moment in metal history
 
I do absolutely agree...
 
heavy riffs does not make a band metal...
 
Tool dos have heavy riffing in many songs...that doesn't mean they play any kind of metal.
 
Opiate and Undertow can't more "obscure alt rock"...
 
TOOL is a rock band....with their own style...and sometimes they are heavy...because of the metal influences in Adam...
 
at least that's how I see them.
 
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 19:48
To be honest they sound nothing like the rest of the bands labelled 'prog metal'.
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Points: 22 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 20:13
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

To be honest they sound nothing like the rest of the bands labelled 'prog metal'.
 
 
absolutely........ to be prog metal you have to be a metal band first.....and then add some prog influences.
 
for example dream theater, symphony X, fates warning ..............
 
and TOOL............... nothing in common with metal...or too little.
 
pretty obvious to me they're a rock band.......a very inventive one
 
now..prog rock or whatever the hell you wanna call them....  another story.


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I think that tool did start off more metally when you hear their earlier stuff, but as you go along in their discography it gets weirder and weirder. It certainly is unique music, it's borderline, but i think we should let them slide as progressive.
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Points: 5308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 13:59
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

To be honest they sound nothing like the rest of the bands labelled 'prog metal'.
 
Erm, Deadsoul Tribe?
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