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Posted: March 02 2007 at 17:15
When it comes to defenitions Radiohead are already defined as Prog in the pages of music history (are they not listed in this website?). Personal opinion is something else. I can claim that King Crimson is not Prog, so what if I do?
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 00:09
Spiderprog wrote:
When it comes to defenitions Radiohead are already defined as Prog in the pages of music history (are they not listed in this website?). Personal opinion is something else. I can claim that King Crimson is not Prog, so what if I do?
Nothing would happen except that:
100% of the Prog listening world thinks that King Crimson is Prog.
Maybe 50% if not much more of the Prog listening people think Radiohead is not Prog.
King Crinson is a fact, Radiohead is most likely in doubt.
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 04:15
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Spiderprog wrote:
When it comes to defenitions Radiohead are already defined as Prog in the pages of music history (are they not listed in this website?). Personal opinion is something else. I can claim that King Crimson is not Prog, so what if I do?
Nothing would happen except that:
100% of the Prog listening world thinks that King Crimson is Prog.
Maybe 50% if not much more of the Prog listening people think Radiohead is not Prog.
King Crinson is a fact, Radiohead is most likely in doubt.
Iván
OMG how I hate it when opinions are sold as facts.
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 08:31
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Spiderprog wrote:
When it comes to defenitions Radiohead are already defined as Prog in the pages of music history (are they not listed in this website?). Personal opinion is something else. I can claim that King Crimson is not Prog, so what if I do?
Nothing would happen except that:
100% of the Prog listening world thinks that King Crimson is Prog.
Maybe 50% if not much more of the Prog listening people think Radiohead is not Prog.
King Crinson is a fact, Radiohead is most likely in doubt.
Iván
OMG how I hate it when opinions are sold as facts.
Mike, when will you learn I talk with facts and not wild gueses:
I.- Prog Archives: When Prog Archives was added PA was divided in two, Radiohead is the only case I remember in which a petition to remove them was created in a poll with no multiple votes allowed:
Poll Question: BAN RADIOHEAD?
Poll Choice
Votes
Poll Statistics
83
[47.70%]
91
[52.30%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted
The no option vote with less than +/.- 5%, this is a statstical tie in a short ubniverse as Prog Atchives active members.
II.- Major Prog sites: I only really trust in 5 sites besides PA: Gibraltar Enciclopedia of Progressive Rock; Proggnosis and Progressive Ears Progressive World Net and Progressor. The pages I trust in Spanish are Manticornio and La Caja de Musica (Where Cesar Inca is one of the responsibles).
GEPR: The most reliable site on the net after us doesn't consider them Prog, as a fact they don't mention them.
Proggnosis: Includes them in Post Pop - Rock
Progressive Ears: Mentions them with no genre description.
Progressor: Doesn't include them at all.
Manticornio; Doesn't even mention tyhem
La Caja de Música: Doesn't even mention Radiohead
Progressive World Net: Doesn't include them (And they consider REM Prog )
Babyblaue
Out of the reliable sites:
Only one Prog Archives, considers them fully Prog but the opinion of the members is divided.
One considers them Postrt POP - Rock, in other words semi Prog
One mentions them but doesn't classify them (Progressive Ears.
FIVE sites don't even mention Radiohead
Don't care about Amarok (French) because they are clueless, they consider Radiohead Symphonic.
So you don't say I discriminate your country, checked Babyblaue, my German may be very rusty but still I could understand they consider Radiohead a Pop/Punk/Electronig Guitar Band, they only care for OK Computer as a new kind of Prog.
So Mike, learn something I always talk with support and I base my opinions in facts, in this case not only the opinion of almost 50% of Prog Archives members but the reliable Prog sites, most of which don't even mentoion Radiohead.
But I was the first to say they are here to stay and even those of us who don't agree must accept they are here to stay.
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 08:51
I've lost my faith in humanity really.Don't get me wrong(i'm sure you will though) radiohead is much more prog than bands such as Flower Kings for example.Why's that?They're really pushing the envelope,creating marvelous ,experimental music based on rock (but not always) structures.They progress with each album , and even though they're not great players , they sure know how to play every note they think of..They're exceptional composers and they never created safe,easy music (apart from Pablo honey).Bands that copy the 70s prog sound nowadays, are not progressive for me since they never evolve and never create something new .I'm not saying that it's bad when you do it.But in my opinion that's the starting point and you have to draw inspiration from it .When you produce that sound for yourself that's fine , just don't say that you're a pioneer !
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 08:57
As Radiohead are included in Art Rock, they are indeed considered as fully Prog here on PA. However, as we proceed in our cleanup (now unfortunately come to a standstill because of Rico's absence and other assorted problems), we'll probably discuss the issue and decide to move them. Personally, I've only heard "OK Computer", and it didn't strike me as particularly prog - though I would see them well in Prog-Related together with the likes of Muse.
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 09:13
Oh, no, no battles... We're a team, and we'll make a democratic decision. If I am outnumbered, I'll accept it without any protest. After all, as I just said, I don't know their whole output, but only that single album - which doesn't make my opinion that well-informed.
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 09:25
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I think as time goes by that people will accept Radiohead as prog I think its just the 'new kid on the block syndrome'
Please, why must it be a syndrome? Why can't it be a sincere and reflected opinion?
There are newer bands that rarely people object, Radiohead is not one of them. IMO Alternatuive/Indie is not equal to Prog, as simple as that.
But again, they are here to stay.
Iván
Barley anything on Amnesiac and Kid A is Alternative or Indie. Ok, Pablo Honey and the Bends we're, and I think Ok Computer is Roughly 50/50. That Leaves Hail to the Thief, which I am sure (minus two or three songs) is neither Alternative or Indie.
So If you haven't listened to all there stuff, I can see why you'd be saying that, but if you have I wonder what exactly your definition of Alternative and Indie is.
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Spiderprog wrote:
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... they are prog in my book and a great AR inclusion.
After all, as I just said, I don't know their whole output, but only that single album - which doesn't make my opinion that well-informed.
