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aspinosa 
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 Topic: Is Radiohead prog?
Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:43 |
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I´ve heard Ok Computer recently because the good reviews but I have to confess it was a disapointment , I expeted more, I will give them another chance but what do you think folks?
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MusicForSpeedin
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:45 |
nawh
and sometime soon one guy will leave a post exclaiming that THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED!
but who cares?
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:45 |
their stuff from Kid A onward only barely sounds like the same band, very experimental with electronic sounds and soundscapes 
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:47 |
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Tough call.
Up until OK Computer: No chance of being prog
OK Computer is a masterpiece, with progginess creeping through here and there. Kid A is proggy in the ambient/electronic sense. Hail to the Theif is proggy in the rhythmic and atmospheric sense. The poppy style of the songs gives rise to questioning, though.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:47 |
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yeah KidA sounds like a cross between Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and King Crimson
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:53 |
Ok I will do this one more time:
The Bends and earlier - Excellent alternative (but not prog)
OK Computer - Prog related with some moments of genius
Kid A & later - One of the best Art Rock bands going
ok there might be a bit of a bias to some of the degrees I mentioned (one of the best  ) but the levels of progressiveness I stand by. There is a great deal of experimenation and the creative spirit to be found, mostly on the later albums.
Nevertheless, OK Computer has a lot of melody and character to offer, I suggest another try.
Edited by moreitsythanyou - February 28 2007 at 21:09
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:58 |
 Cheesecakemouse wrote:
yeah KidA sounds like a cross between Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and King Crimson |
Wow, we must have heard a different album. I can see Eno, and Tangerine Dream influence, but I never heard any KC.
Frankly I think it is pretty dull ambient stuff. Prog influenced at best.
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el böthy
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:05 |
Well... let´s see... prog is my favorite music...Ok Computer is one of my favorite albums...there for Radiohead is prog... yes, thats right, cause I say so!!! Got a problem with that?!?! Cause if that´s so... then I terribly sorry 
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:06 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
yeah KidA sounds like a cross between Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno and King Crimson |
Wow, we must have heard a different album. I can see Eno, and Tangerine Dream influence, but I never heard any KC.
Frankly I think it is pretty dull ambient stuff. Prog influenced at best. |
I was thinking about the part with the chaotic trumpet section. I don't know why so many people have a hang up when it comes to radiohead, it fits well into electronic prog, for people to deny KidA is prog is to deny Brian Eno or Tangerine Dream as prog.  I think this album was and still is a revolution compared with a lot of the slop you get nowdays in popular music.
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Father Tiresias
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:08 |
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NO!
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enteredwinter
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:08 |
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The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site
(things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic
complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of
music by having a strong and obvious impact on future bands and
artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have
clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than
simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be
inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like
Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog"
despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead
is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when
categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
Edited by enteredwinter - February 28 2007 at 21:09
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:11 |
enteredwinter wrote:
The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site (things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of music by having an strong and obvious impact on future bands and artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog" despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
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 I agree with you but in terms of number 1, a lot of other prog bands like Can or Brian Eno's Another Green Worlddo not always necessary fit into that section.
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 21:31 |
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They may fit some peoples definition of Prog, maybe even PA's definition, but they don't fit my definition, which in end, is all that really matters to me. So therefore I vote no.
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:03 |
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man...
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:04 |
memowakeman wrote:
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man... |
Wait... I just realized you removed your awesome Amnesiac avatar 
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:13 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:
memowakeman wrote:
Father Tiresias wrote:
NO! |
Listen to the wise man... |
Wait... I just realized you removed your awesome Amnesiac avatar |
Yep i did , but it may comeback someday 
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:19 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
I don't know why so many people have a hang up when it comes to radiohead, it fits well into electronic prog, for people to deny KidA is prog is to deny Brian Eno or Tangerine Dream as prog.
I think this album was and still is a revolution compared with a lot of the slop you get nowdays in popular music. |
It fits into electronic, but I don't think denying this is denying the true masters that inspired it. It may be better than popular music, but what isn't? I have also heard the term revolutionary, and groundbreaking before. There was nothing on this album that hadn't been done before.
Edited by bhikkhu - February 28 2007 at 22:23
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 23:30 |
enteredwinter wrote:
The way I see it, a band could be called progressive for three reasons:
1) Fits into the "prog genre", as defined by the criteria on this site
(things like relatively long songs, concept albums, rhythmic
complexity, etc.)
2) Their own music changes over time, i.e. intrinsically progresses, and manages to create sounds that are like nothing heard before as a result.
3) Their music is very influential, and acts to shape the future of
music by having a strong and obvious impact on future bands and
artists, i.e. progresses music as a whole.
Now, for this site, #1 is understandably the focal point, but Radiohead have
clearly accomplished 2 and 3, which I think is much more important than
simply fitting into a style of music.
If we are going to try to be
inclusive along the lines of ideal progressiveness (e.g. seeing a band like
Radiohead as more deserving of the prog label than the many Dream-Theater-copycat bands that are "prog"
despite a glaring lack of originality, for example), then Radiohead
is a clear-cut choice. And that should be one of the goals when
categorizing music as prog or not. IMHO, of course.
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I agree with you 100%. Radiohead are creative and original in thier approach to music and they aren't seen as a prog band. While Dream Theater clones are never questioned for their lack originality.
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Posted: February 28 2007 at 23:50 |
[head asplode] YES 
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Posted: March 01 2007 at 02:59 |
Do green cows bleat on sunny days?
From Wikipedia:
The most striking tendency and identifying feature of any given piece of progressive rock is that it feels carefully composed, yet spontaneous and improvised at the same time. It is true to say that progressive rock lends itself as much to intellectual analysis as it does to emotional enjoyment. Hence, the most typical characteristics may be found by exploring the basic 5 elements of music as taught to most music undergraduates, but are not easily determined by casual listening alone.
...and don't forget - no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition... 
Edited by Certif1ed - March 01 2007 at 03:28
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