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progressive
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:41 |
"I refuse to listen or respect downloaded music" Why? Don't want to play it on computer (you can burn it on CD), or... well, It's nice to have CD:s with nice images and it's not immaterial, but every CD isn't good-looking - and it's not so healthy for environment.
I'll download if it's not on CD, of course. The music is the most important thing! You stupid people.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:49 |
The T wrote:
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Why are you guys so extreme? I mean, it's not like there's no in between. Each month I download a dozen albums and buy 1-5 "real" albums that I really, really like. And in addition to that I listen to 20 albums more on Napster. Where's the problem? My (non-virtual) collection is still growing nicely, and I'm not spending much more on music that I spent before these downloads were possible - but I'm listening to twice as many albums! |
With me is sort of a trying-to-preserve-the-medium decision, as well as my great predilection for having cds, a collection to show and share with friends, lyrics to read.... the thing is, I don't want the album, the set of songs, to be defeated by just the song, which will be the ultimately consequence of the domination of downloading.... I know many people download entire albums, but many many more just download the songs they like.... that will cause, in time, for artists to grow discouraged of devoting time and brain-cells to write big concept albums or just albums and focus only in songs. And the way of consumism will prevail, only what sell will survive, and the album as we know it will be no more.... I just have to do what feels right to me. |
To me the actual medium (the CD) is not really important. This would be my favorite solution: When you buy an album you get a licence key which you can use to download the full album in a lossless format - you can burn it to CD or convert it to any format you want to use. Additionally you get the booklet and the album art as files which you can use as desktop wallpaper, album icons in your media player, lyrics and maybe even high-resolution PDFs which you can use to print the album cover as a poster. *That* is the best solution for a number of reasons: - You can use the music in whatever way you want
- It protects the environment - no plastic/oil/etc. is wasted
- You get the booklet to read while listening
- You get the album art
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progressive
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:55 |
Ps. PDFs suck.
But it's not that easy to get "album art" off on line (from web to you: ) ). Really, there's no good enoguh pics. Wich is maybe he largest problem. And it's not so easy to watch them on computer, or maybe it just feels like it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 09:00 |
^ why do PDFs suck? If they're high resolution you can use them to create high quality printouts. And about the album art: Yes I agree - that's why I suggested that it would be cool if it came with the audio.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 17 2007 at 09:01
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SolariS
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:18 |
CD's aren't really all that bad for the environment. I mean come on, how much is really taken up by your cd collection? You probably waste more in milk jugs or grocery bags in a month or two than your entire lifetime collection of cds. Furthermore, everytime you want to play a downloaded piece of music, you have to turn on your 400 watt computer instead of a slightly more energy efficient stereo. Power consumption is pollution too.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:50 |
^ Ok, I see your point. But to me it seems kind of pointless to buy a compact disc and the jewel case when all that matters to me is the music and the booklet. And even when I don't have a CD anymore I could still listen to the music on my portable player - no computer necessary.
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The T
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 13:24 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ Ok, I see your point. But to me it seems kind of pointless to buy a compact disc and the jewel case when all that matters to me is the music and the booklet. And even when I don't have a CD anymore I could still listen to the music on my portable player - no computer necessary.
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What would yo do if your portable player or you computer (or both) get broken or something happens to them? The music's gone. The best way to be ready to such an event would be to make hard copies of your music and burn cd's, isn't it? So, in the end, we end with cds in our hands.
Also, to "Progressive"... why you have to say "stupid people"? Is that the usual way you talk to people that don't agree with you? Oh, very well... that's not a "progressive" way of acting, I'd guess.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 14:11 |
^ Of course you have to make backups - but not necessarily as audio CDs. All 138 albums that I (legally) downloaded from eMusic last year fit comfortably on one DVD. And even if I forgot to make backups I could download them again from eMusic without any cost.
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el böthy
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Posted: February 17 2007 at 18:23 |
Nothing
The reason I download is cause I dont want to pay...having said that, I mostly buy albums, I dont download them, I only do it with the ones I cant find or when they are too expensieve
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Cygnus.X1
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 08:09 |
el böthy wrote:
The reason I download is cause I dont want to pay...having said that, I mostly buy albums, I dont download them, I only do it with the ones I cant find or when they are too expensieve
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Same with me.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:05 |
^ so you either buy the "real" album or download an illegal copy?
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Tony R
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:20 |
I think I would prepared to pay a maximum of £5.00 for an official download in MP3 format.
Burning Shed, Porcupine Tree's distributor and "official" Shop has PT (and others) downloads for £6.35 in MP3 format. I believe this is too much for a compressed format.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:32 |
^ on eMusic.com the price is much lower ... but it depends on the
subscription model. Currently I pay 18 EUR each month and can download
65 tracks. That's about 28 Cent per track - which is a real bargain for
albums with few tracks, and a bit pricey for albums with many tracks.
On average albums have 10 tracks, which means 2,80 EUR per album.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 18 2007 at 10:33
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:09 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Kid-A wrote:
I refuse to pay to download music. |
Even if it's just 10% of what you would pay for the CD?
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Yeah, a files pretty much useless to me. I like to have the actual CD so I can play it on my CD player. And I hate having burned CD's.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:36 |
^ ok, if you have the money ... suit yourself.
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:10 |
^^ is there anywhere which sells mp3s that cheap apart from emusic? And why the hell doesnt emusic do Frank Zappa anymore?
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 17:17 |
As a side discussion, have you folks noticed that, for the most part, customers of most of the legal download sites (Itunes, Puretracks, et al) don't seem to mind the lower quality ? Surprising considering that the "superior" sound quality of CDs were a big selling point in the beginning. These would have been 16 bit, then they started coming out with the 20 & 24 bit remasters. Now you get MP3s at 128mb for the most part. Just to tell you how we sometimes delude ourselves as to what our ears actually hear, let me tell you a little secret. If you've bought one of those remastered CDs, & then burnt yourself a copy so you could sell or trade the original back, think about this - unless you have a very recent CD burning software (ex. Nero 7), you're burning your blank cd at 16 bit. I just noticed this after I'd had a look at the new Nero 7. THing is though, I never would have known the difference, & I bought tons of CDs, then the remastered copies of these same albums, then burnt them & traded them. Just to say that past a certain sonic point, there's a limited "market" for audiophile quality releases.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:44 |
Kid-A wrote:
^^ is there anywhere which sells mp3s that cheap apart from emusic? And why the hell doesnt emusic do Frank Zappa anymore? |
I don't know any other store that sells mp3s ... www.mindawn.com sells OGG files though. About Zappa: You better ask the Zappa Family Trust ... it appears like they removed the Zappa albums from most services, including eMusic and Napster.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 22 2007 at 13:42
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:46 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
As a side discussion, have you folks noticed that, for the most part, customers of most of the legal download sites (Itunes, Puretracks, et al) don't seem to mind the lower quality ? Surprising considering that the "superior" sound quality of CDs were a big selling point in the beginning. These would have been 16 bit, then they started coming out with the 20 & 24 bit remasters. Now you get MP3s at 128mb for the most part.
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Sorry, but that's not true at all. On eMusic you get variable bitrate mp3s that average well above 200kbps for the most part - and on Napster you get 192kbps WMA.
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Nash
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Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:45 |
I refuse!
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