legal downloads how much would you pay ?
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Topic: legal downloads how much would you pay ?
Posted By: Masque
Subject: legal downloads how much would you pay ?
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 09:42
Like it or not downloaded music is the way things are going there are some very good legal sites like Mindawn https://www.mindawn.com/download.php that distribute prog music this way and its all above board and very high quality. So how much would you pay for a Prog CD to download that otherwise you would have to wait days or even weeks to arrive in the mail if you ordered online from a seller ? 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:00
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It depends on several factors: - which quality? 128kbit, 192kbit, 256kbit ... lossless - If DRM is used, can the files be burnt to CD? - If DRM is used, what happens when I lose the files (do I have to pay again to download them) Generally I will not pay more than 1/3 of the price of the real CD if it's a lossy format ... something in a range between $3 and $5, I guess. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:00
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$14 is a fair price in my opinion. In the store where I buy Prog, most
CDs cost between 16 and 18 USD (approximately, I don't bother taking
time to check the current value of one USD in Swedish crowns), and
considering that one doesn't get a booklet with downloaded albums, $14
is a good price. Edit: Of course I would only pay full price for lossless files without DRM. The lower the quality, the lower the price. |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:07
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I`ll settle for 192 kbit mp3`s (no lower) but I prefer >> OGG'S TO Mp3`s I think I can detect a slight difference in the stereo separation and dynamics OGG'S are available at mindawn and are easy to burn using Winamp or any other decent burning software ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:13
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^ unfortunately OGG isn't supported by all portable players. And properly encoded mp3 is almost as good ... have you tried emusic.com? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:16
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:50
I may sound like a dinossaur  but I try always to tell the truth: i won't get music by downloading until it's really the only way left to get new music. I'm sure many years have to pass for that to become a reality, so for now I'm calm. I just HAVE to have the hard-copy, the material-thing in my hand.... I don't like Ipods, I guess I'm being left behind by the train... The thing is, I fear downloading will bring the end to the "album" concept, and we will be left only with "songs". So, for as long as I still can do it, I will only buy music in hard-format, that is, cd. 
So my answer would be the last option. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:53
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I refuse to pay to download music. I would only pay for a physical item. Maybe the music industry should let people listen to free samples of tracks? As it is I illegally download then if I like I buy. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:00
Even if it's just 10% of what you would pay for the CD? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 14:39
| I don't download music and I definitely wouldn't pay anything for downloads. I want to have the album in my collection, and albums consist of both the music and the package. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:00
 I agree 100%-------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:43
| Don't download music |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:52
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Downloading music sucks. I love being able to browse used cd's and finding a total gem at a steal of a price. With music downloads, there's no used market and you have nothing to sell if you decide you don't want an album. You can't go to a garage sale and look through someone's old music collection. You can't leaf through the pages of the booklet while you listen to the music. You can't have a collection of albums for your friends to look through and spin in your cd player when you're hanging out. If your computer crashes, you lose all of your music. Does homeowners insurance cover that? You can't store music in the compression format of your choice without transcoding. You can't give an album to your friend to borrow without breaking license agreements. Do I need to go on... It's not for me. I'll only switch to downloads when I have no other choice. -------------  
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:04
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:10
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Why are you guys so extreme? I mean, it's not like there's no in between. Each month I download a dozen albums and buy 1-5 "real" albums that I really, really like. And in addition to that I listen to 20 albums more on Napster. Where's the problem? My (non-virtual) collection is still growing nicely, and I'm not spending much more on music that I spent before these downloads were possible - but I'm listening to twice as many albums!
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:20
| ^If I want to listen to an album (a one that I don't necessarily want to have in my collection), I can usually get it from the library, so I don't have to pay anything to download it. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:26
 Sorry if I;m too conservative. I'll download a couple songs to try if I'm totally unsure but so far I haven't made a single purchase that I regret (except for some Kiss and Accept albums from a few years back but I liked them then...  )------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:38
| My big difficulty with the legal download sites is that their prices are uniform. Is there really any justification for paying as much for a 1973 Foghat or Genesis song as a brand new release from Porcupine Tree or Rush ? The record industry agrees that there should be a price differential. As per their standard thinking, they would ask MORE for the newer stuff & keep the same prices on the old stuff. They stumbled & turned off fans for years with their lawsuits & copycat bands, & they still don't have a clue. Why not put the whole back catalogue out at a lower price ? It would be a one-time capital cost, then they could make their money back over time. Wouldn't you just love to be able to get that May Blitz debut for $10 ? It would certainly make it's price more reasonable than the collectors' market. How many artists do you read about on this site, that for a "sane " price, you'd be interested in acquiring ? And now we see back catalogue CDs readily available at major chains at a price of 2 for $12. Oh well, as things progress & artists have alternate means of promotion, maybe we will come to the day that all bands can offer their music directly to the public at a price of their choosing, or even free, if that what suits them. |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 20:29
This is what I have experienced I don`t know the science of why this happens ? For MP3 players of course Mp3 files is the way to go  ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 23:56
With me is sort of a trying-to-preserve-the-medium decision, as well as my great predilection for having cds, a collection to show and share with friends, lyrics to read.... the thing is, I don't want the album, the set of songs, to be defeated by just the song, which will be the ultimately consequence of the domination of downloading.... I know many people download entire albums, but many many more just download the songs they like.... that will cause, in time, for artists to grow discouraged of devoting time and brain-cells to write big concept albums or just albums and focus only in songs. And the way of consumism will prevail, only what sell will survive, and the album as we know it will be no more.... I just have to do what feels right to me. -------------
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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:41
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"I refuse to listen or respect downloaded music" Why? Don't want to play it on computer (you can burn it on CD), or... well, It's nice to have CD:s with nice images and it's not immaterial, but every CD isn't good-looking - and it's not so healthy for environment. I'll download if it's not on CD, of course. The music is the most important thing! You stupid people. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:49
To me the actual medium (the CD) is not really important. This would be my favorite solution: When you buy an album you get a licence key which you can use to download the full album in a lossless format - you can burn it to CD or convert it to any format you want to use. Additionally you get the booklet and the album art as files which you can use as desktop wallpaper, album icons in your media player, lyrics and maybe even high-resolution PDFs which you can use to print the album cover as a poster. *That* is the best solution for a number of reasons:
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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 08:55
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Ps. PDFs suck. But it's not that easy to get "album art" off on line (from web to you: ) ). Really, there's no good enoguh pics. Wich is maybe he largest problem. And it's not so easy to watch them on computer, or maybe it just feels like it. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 09:00
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^ why do PDFs suck? If they're high resolution you can use them to create high quality printouts. And about the album art: Yes I agree - that's why I suggested that it would be cool if it came with the audio. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:18
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CD's aren't really all that bad for the environment. I mean come on, how much is really taken up by your cd collection? You probably waste more in milk jugs or grocery bags in a month or two than your entire lifetime collection of cds. Furthermore, everytime you want to play a downloaded piece of music, you have to turn on your 400 watt computer instead of a slightly more energy efficient stereo. Power consumption is pollution too. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 12:50
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^ Ok, I see your point. But to me it seems kind of pointless to buy a compact disc and the jewel case when all that matters to me is the music and the booklet. And even when I don't have a CD anymore I could still listen to the music on my portable player - no computer necessary. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 13:24
What would yo do if your portable player or you computer (or both) get broken or something happens to them? The music's gone. The best way to be ready to such an event would be to make hard copies of your music and burn cd's, isn't it? So, in the end, we end with cds in our hands.
Also, to "Progressive"... why you have to say "stupid people"? Is that the usual way you talk to people that don't agree with you? Oh, very well... that's not a "progressive" way of acting, I'd guess.  -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 14:11
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^ Of course you have to make backups - but not necessarily as audio CDs. All 138 albums that I (legally) downloaded from eMusic last year fit comfortably on one DVD. And even if I forgot to make backups I could download them again from eMusic without any cost.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 17 2007 at 18:23
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Nothing The reason I download is cause I dont want to pay...having said that, I mostly buy albums, I dont download them, I only do it with the ones I cant find or when they are too expensieve ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Cygnus.X1
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 08:09
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:05
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^ so you either buy the "real" album or download an illegal copy?
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:20
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I think I would prepared to pay a maximum of £5.00 for an official download in MP3 format. Burning Shed, Porcupine Tree's distributor and "official" Shop has PT (and others) downloads for £6.35 in MP3 format. I believe this is too much for a compressed format.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:32
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^ on eMusic.com the price is much lower ... but it depends on the
subscription model. Currently I pay 18 EUR each month and can download
65 tracks. That's about 28 Cent per track - which is a real bargain for
albums with few tracks, and a bit pricey for albums with many tracks.
On average albums have 10 tracks, which means 2,80 EUR per album.
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:09
Yeah, a files pretty much useless to me. I like to have the actual CD so I can play it on my CD player. And I hate having burned CD's. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:36
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^ ok, if you have the money ... suit yourself.
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:10
^^ is there anywhere which sells mp3s that cheap apart from emusic? And why the hell doesnt emusic do Frank Zappa anymore?  -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 18 2007 at 17:17
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As a side discussion, have you folks noticed that, for the most part, customers of most of the legal download sites (Itunes, Puretracks, et al) don't seem to mind the lower quality ? Surprising considering that the "superior" sound quality of CDs were a big selling point in the beginning. These would have been 16 bit, then they started coming out with the 20 & 24 bit remasters. Now you get MP3s at 128mb for the most part. Just to tell you how we sometimes delude ourselves as to what our ears actually hear, let me tell you a little secret. If you've bought one of those remastered CDs, & then burnt yourself a copy so you could sell or trade the original back, think about this - unless you have a very recent CD burning software (ex. Nero 7), you're burning your blank cd at 16 bit. I just noticed this after I'd had a look at the new Nero 7. THing is though, I never would have known the difference, & I bought tons of CDs, then the remastered copies of these same albums, then burnt them & traded them. Just to say that past a certain sonic point, there's a limited "market" for audiophile quality releases. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:44
I don't know any other store that sells mp3s ... www.mindawn.com sells OGG files though. About Zappa: You better ask the Zappa Family Trust ... it appears like they removed the Zappa albums from most services, including eMusic and Napster. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 02:46
Sorry, but that's not true at all. On eMusic you get variable bitrate mp3s that average well above 200kbps for the most part - and on Napster you get 192kbps WMA. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:45
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I refuse! ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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