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Masque
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Topic: legal downloads how much would you pay ? Posted: February 16 2007 at 09:42 |
Like it or not downloaded music is the way things are going there are some very good legal sites like Mindawn https://www.mindawn.com/download.php that distribute prog music this way and its all above board and very high quality. So how much would you pay for a Prog CD to download that otherwise you would have to wait days or even weeks to arrive in the mail if you ordered online from a seller ?
Edited by Masque - February 16 2007 at 10:54
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:00 |
It depends on several factors:
- which quality? 128kbit, 192kbit, 256kbit ... lossless - If DRM is used, can the files be burnt to CD? - If DRM is used, what happens when I lose the files (do I have to pay again to download them)
Generally I will not pay more than 1/3 of the price of the real CD if it's a lossy format ... something in a range between $3 and $5, I guess.
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Philéas
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:00 |
$14 is a fair price in my opinion. In the store where I buy Prog, most
CDs cost between 16 and 18 USD (approximately, I don't bother taking
time to check the current value of one USD in Swedish crowns), and
considering that one doesn't get a booklet with downloaded albums, $14
is a good price.
Edit: Of course I would only pay full price for lossless files without DRM. The lower the quality, the lower the price.
Edited by Philéas - February 16 2007 at 10:02
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Masque
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:07 |
I`ll settle for 192 kbit mp3`s (no lower) but I prefer >> OGG'S TO Mp3`s I think I can detect a slight difference in the stereo separation and dynamics OGG'S are available at mindawn and are easy to burn using Winamp or any other decent burning software
Edited by Masque - February 16 2007 at 10:08
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:13 |
^ unfortunately OGG isn't supported by all portable players. And properly encoded mp3 is almost as good ... have you tried emusic.com?
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 16 2007 at 10:29
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Masque
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 10:16 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ unfortunately OGG isn't supported by all portable players. And poperly encoded mp3 is almost as good ... have you tried emusic.com?
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taking a look now :-)
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The T
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:50 |
I may sound like a dinossaur but I try always to tell the truth: i won't get music by downloading until it's really the only way left to get new music. I'm sure many years have to pass for that to become a reality, so for now I'm calm. I just HAVE to have the hard-copy, the material-thing in my hand.... I don't like Ipods, I guess I'm being left behind by the train... The thing is, I fear downloading will bring the end to the "album" concept, and we will be left only with "songs". So, for as long as I still can do it, I will only buy music in hard-format, that is, cd.
So my answer would be the last option.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:53 |
I refuse to pay to download music. I would only pay for a physical item. Maybe the music industry should let people listen to free samples of tracks? As it is I illegally download then if I like I buy.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 13:00 |
Kid-A wrote:
I refuse to pay to download music. |
Even if it's just 10% of what you would pay for the CD?
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 14:39 |
I don't download music and I definitely wouldn't pay anything for
downloads. I want to have the album in my collection, and albums consist of both the music
and the package.
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The T
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:00 |
Vompatti wrote:
I don't download music and I definitely wouldn't pay anything for downloads. I want to have the album in my collection, and albums consist of both the music and the package. |
I agree 100%
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:43 |
Don't download music
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SolariS
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 15:52 |
Downloading music sucks. I love being able to browse used cd's and finding a total gem at a steal of a price. With music downloads, there's no used market and you have nothing to sell if you decide you don't want an album. You can't go to a garage sale and look through someone's old music collection. You can't leaf through the pages of the booklet while you listen to the music. You can't have a collection of albums for your friends to look through and spin in your cd player when you're hanging out. If your computer crashes, you lose all of your music. Does homeowners insurance cover that? You can't store music in the compression format of your choice without transcoding. You can't give an album to your friend to borrow without breaking license agreements. Do I need to go on...
It's not for me. I'll only switch to downloads when I have no other choice.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:04 |
SolariS wrote:
Downloading music sucks. I love being able to browse used cd's and finding a total gem at a steal of a price. With music downloads, there's no used market and you have nothing to sell if you decide you don't want an album. You can't go to a garage sale and look through someone's old music collection. You can't leaf through the pages of the booklet while you listen to the music. You can't have a collection of albums for your friends to look through and spin in your cd player when you're hanging out. If your computer crashes, you lose all of your music. Does homeowners insurance cover that? You can't store music in the compression format of your choice without transcoding. You can't give an album to your friend to borrow without breaking license agreements. Do I need to go on...
It's not for me. I'll only switch to downloads when I have no other choice.
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:10 |
Why are you guys so extreme? I mean, it's not like there's no in between. Each month I download a dozen albums and buy 1-5 "real" albums that I really, really like. And in addition to that I listen to 20 albums more on Napster. Where's the problem? My (non-virtual) collection is still growing nicely, and I'm not spending much more on music that I spent before these downloads were possible - but I'm listening to twice as many albums!
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 16 2007 at 17:10
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:20 |
^If I want to listen to an album (a one that I don't necessarily want to have in my collection), I can usually get it from the library, so I don't have to pay anything to download it.
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:26 |
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 17:38 |
My big difficulty with the legal download sites is that their prices are uniform. Is there really any justification for paying as much for a 1973 Foghat or Genesis song as a brand new release from Porcupine Tree or Rush ? The record industry agrees that there should be a price differential. As per their standard thinking, they would ask MORE for the newer stuff & keep the same prices on the old stuff. They stumbled & turned off fans for years with their lawsuits & copycat bands, & they still don't have a clue. Why not put the whole back catalogue out at a lower price ? It would be a one-time capital cost, then they could make their money back over time. Wouldn't you just love to be able to get that May Blitz debut for $10 ? It would certainly make it's price more reasonable than the collectors' market. How many artists do you read about on this site, that for a "sane " price, you'd be interested in acquiring ? And now we see back catalogue CDs readily available at major chains at a price of 2 for $12. Oh well, as things progress & artists have alternate means of promotion, maybe we will come to the day that all bands can offer their music directly to the public at a price of their choosing, or even free, if that what suits them.
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Masque
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 20:29 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ unfortunately OGG isn't supported by all portable players. And properly encoded mp3 is almost as good ... have you tried emusic.com?
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One thing I have noticed with OGG files compared to Mp3 `s is if its a concept album or a CD that joins songs you are downloading, Mp`3 show an ugly join and this sounds bad, OGG`s seem to join perfectly so for making a CD I think OGG`s are better. This is what I have experienced I don`t know the science of why this happens ? For MP3 players of course Mp3 files is the way to go
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 23:56 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Why are you guys so extreme? I mean, it's not like there's no in between. Each month I download a dozen albums and buy 1-5 "real" albums that I really, really like. And in addition to that I listen to 20 albums more on Napster. Where's the problem? My (non-virtual) collection is still growing nicely, and I'm not spending much more on music that I spent before these downloads were possible - but I'm listening to twice as many albums! |
With me is sort of a trying-to-preserve-the-medium decision, as well as my great predilection for having cds, a collection to show and share with friends, lyrics to read.... the thing is, I don't want the album, the set of songs, to be defeated by just the song, which will be the ultimately consequence of the domination of downloading.... I know many people download entire albums, but many many more just download the songs they like.... that will cause, in time, for artists to grow discouraged of devoting time and brain-cells to write big concept albums or just albums and focus only in songs. And the way of consumism will prevail, only what sell will survive, and the album as we know it will be no more.... I just have to do what feels right to me.
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