Fate

Fate, what do you think of it ?
Do you guys believe that our life was already decided when we born and there's no way to change it no matter what ?

Or is there nothing such as fate ? That we are the one who decided our life and future ?

Or maybe even when it's already decided, if we give much effort in it, somehow we could change our fate ?

Maybe some of you won't even care about it and just go through their life ?

I want to know your opinion...

Everything has to be predetermined. How else could you explain that some people can see the future?

for all practical intents and purposes it makes no difference. since humans are random, clumsy and prone to err I'd say we had free will.

For me there is God's Providence (according to Christian Orthodox theology), which fortunately leaves me plenty of freedom to better that we call "destiny". I guess this doesn't fit the poll options.

Edited by andu - January 30 2007 at 10:26

Leave it like that. I would not vote anyway in such an issue way above my knowledge. 

kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: Everything has to be predetermined. How else could you explain that some people can see the future? i don't really believe in people who claimed that they can see the future, well somehow their 'vision' could happen, but who really knows at that time if they're really see the future or just talking bullsh*t ? Maybe it just a mere coincidence that what they were said then becomes reality

If there are coincidences, we can't really make any choices either, can we?

kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: Everything has to be predetermined. How else could you explain that some people can see the future? i don't really believe in people who claimed that they can see the future, well somehow their 'vision' could happen, but who really knows at that time if they're really see the future or just talking bullsh*t ? Maybe it just a mere coincidence that what they were said then becomes reality If there are coincidences, we can't really make any choices either, can we? err maybe... but some said that even coincidences are the will of the creator, while some people would say that they're not, so...if you know what i mean

If there are coincidences, everything is not predetermined, no matter if the coincidences are the will of the creator or not.


Edited by Vompatti - January 30 2007 at 10:46

kazansky wrote: but not all the things that happened are coincidences, that's why it's called coincidence because it don't happen all the time

Even if there was only one coincidence, it would prove that everything is not predetermined, because coincidences cannot be predetermined.

kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: kazansky wrote: but not all the things that happened are coincidences, that's why it's called coincidence because it don't happen all the time Even if there was only one coincidence, it would prove that everything is not predetermined, because coincidences cannot be predetermined. how if there's something like 'miscalculation'? anyway i'm not saying that everything was already predetermined or not, i'm just saying that i don't completely believe people who claimed that they can see the future

Do you believe people who claim that they can't see the future?

kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: kazansky wrote: Vompatti wrote: kazansky wrote: but not all the things that happened are coincidences, that's why it's called coincidence because it don't happen all the time Even if there was only one coincidence, it would prove that everything is not predetermined, because coincidences cannot be predetermined. how if there's something like 'miscalculation'? anyway i'm not saying that everything was already predetermined or not, i'm just saying that i don't completely believe people who claimed that they can see the future Do you believe people who claim that they can't see the future? sure, why not ? isn't it normal ? for example, can you tell your own future ?

I can hardly tell my past.