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The T 
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:37 |
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After hearing UP and SO, I wanted to ask this: do you agree with PG being in the prog-related category? I found UP much proggier that other releases, and even his most poppy, SO, is not regular pop/rock but I can hear lot of, if not progressive, at least more artistic elements than in regular rock. And that's talking about his MOST POP release, because for me, UP is completely prog, Art Rock would be for me the ideal genre for him.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:40 |
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Uhm... African Prog?
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:51 |
Art Rock is the only way to describe his music for it is so varying and unique (not to mention brilliant).
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:57 |
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Satanic Ultra Bloody Antrometal.....Obviously.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:00 |
Everything is Art-rock except for bloody metal.
Gabriel is actually one of the very few in this category which is exactly related to prog - and very much so indeed. If someone asks me what Prog-related means, my immediate reply would be: "It's Peter Gabriel's solo".
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:47 |
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Prog related. It's way too pop to go in the Art Rock catagory.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:48 |
Neo-Eclectic Freudian Prog 
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 18:44 |
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I have to go for the wise guy answer so: Satanic-ultra-bloody-antrometal. Also, I'm not sure if either prog-related or art rock really fits what he's doing these day.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 18:47 |
I find Gabriel's solo work to be eclectic to be sure but not a lot of prog in it. I do like most of it though. 
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 19:23 |
world prog 
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 19:34 |
Prog related seems like a comfy category for him.
Phish, on the other hand, need to me moved into Art Rock or possibly jazz fusion. They're too proggy for prog related.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 19:40 |
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world prog [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
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It sounds great... I don't know what the hell it is, but it sounds great.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 22:33 |
Spacemac wrote:
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yeah... I AGREE!
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 23:15 |
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I would have to say Gabrielcore.
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 23:24 |
From the list, Art Rock, he did Prog in his first two albums very close if not Symph, then had a short Pop period and then he blended World and even some Aavant in Up-
But just as a curiosity...Isn't his World Music a form of Prog Folk?
Anyway, he's too iconic to be in Prog Related but that's not my call.
Iván
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The T
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 23:34 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
From the list, Art Rock, he did Prog in his first two albums very close if not Symph, then had a short Pop period and then he blended World and even some Aavant in Up-
But just as a curiosity...Isn't his World Music a form of Prog Folk?
Anyway, he's too iconic to be in Prog Related but that's not my call.
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 00:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
From the list, Art Rock, he did Prog in his first two albums very close if not Symph, then had a short Pop period and then he blended World and even some Aavant in Up-
But just as a curiosity...Isn't his World Music a form of Prog Folk?
Anyway, he's too iconic to be in Prog Related but that's not my call.
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I agree with the boss. (big surprise, huh )
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 01:23 |
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I'd be all too happy to move him into Art Rock. As a matter of fact, I love a good deal of his solo output, which I have to admit I prefer to what he did with Genesis - and I definitely agree with The T that "Up" is quite proggy. I'll consult Micky and Rico on the matter, and if they agree we can definitely move him to our department.
Edit: if Radiohead are in Art Rock, I don't see why PG should be in PR. I don't really see Radiohead as proggier that PG.
Edited by Ghost Rider - January 23 2007 at 01:24
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 08:42 |
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For me he's one of the best excamples of the former definition of Art-Rock (the more pop-focussed style of prog), but he should off course be labelled under progressive and not related.
Phil Collins should be added under related, just like Mike & The Mechanicxs and probable Banks also.
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 09:23 |
The "former" definition of Art Rock, more pop-focused styled prog, is one I don't even remember off. And certainly we don't got for that right now.
(on an even distant, though that's not the subject, I don't advise the addition of artist from legendary progressive bands' solo output simply by that - only if they are, you guessed it, progressive; Collins is so far from prog with his own music, I can't imagine him getting here with the credit of merituous prog quality; Banks is here)
Without necesarily taking the extra star(s) I have in as a rank's astute, I don't see the leap towards full prog and powerful radiance, for Peter Gabriel possible, efficient, necessary.
As eugene said, he's actually a better example for prog-related than many others that share the genre, for that artist which oriented to something different by all means, but isn't from the "likings" of progressive (in our world or in others).
The best examples for Gabriel having been prog are his 4 Peter Gabriel gems. Out of which, just like Ivan said, [Car] and [Scratch] are the progressive ones (even art-related: humour, light moods of dynamics, small avants, a handful of skepsises etc.). From then we talk to a lot of definitions: rock, pop/rock, soundtrackings, orientationism, world music, groove and substance music. Which don't fit much of the times, except in this relation.
I'm a big fan of Peter Gabriel, so I wouldn't mind myself having looked at him as outstandingly progressive - only that he's not entirely - or endlessly. His music is no ordinary and no shallow, he does it deep, he impresses with it and shares it "via" emotions. But, with qualities or without, I consider him a worthy prog-relatedartist.
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