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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:44
Just received  two Nels Cline Singers' albums: Instrumentals and The Giant Pin + a free sampler CD, plus future discounts and a free gift (according to accompanying paperwork) from the Cryptogramophone Record Co of Venice CA for under 17 quid (including P&P), so no duty,  and reached me in less than 8 days of placing the order. Nels Cline is a superb free jazz rock guitarist and occasional lead guitarist of Wilco.  And this after hearing Nels Cline being interviewed and played on BBC Radio 3 's Mixing It two Fridays ago - btw a programme real prog fans should check occasionally for what is happening music-wise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 19:44
I like this:
 
Brad Mehldau trio - Anything Goes
 
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters  (Funk-Fusio)
 
Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius
 
Try anything by Michael Camilo, very good piano player
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 19:59
Billy Cobham - Spectrum.
 
Really good album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:21
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Billy Cobham - Spectrum.
 
Really good album!
 
Yes it is!!!Clap ,  also A Funky Thide Of Things is awesomeWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2006 at 12:49
Out of the blue, I've been sent a promo copy of Gricer's self-titled album by the lead guitarist's wife (or sister). Minimalist free rock going jazz rock (they call themselves Post Rock) , most interesting so expect some tracks on future radio shows. To me of importance, Steve Howe's son Dylan is the band's drummer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2006 at 04:42
not too up on "jazz genres" but i like these................
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2006 at 05:22
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

not too up on "jazz genres" but i like these................
 
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If you are into Bad Plus, check out other nu.jazzers: Brad Mehldau (especially his recent studio recordings, e.g. on Nonesuch Records), Estbjorn Svensen Trio (EST) (almost can't go wrong with EST, wrt to any of their albums).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2006 at 05:22
KEITH JARRETT "Paris Concert"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2006 at 07:35
 
This really blew my mind, absolutely amazing! I have had it for a week now, and I can't get it out of my mind, I listen to it as often as possible!   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 04:12
    Yes, Patto should be included in the Archives, I have tried at least twice, but I guess that the Doors are more prog (anybody home???).
Patto were a revelation and I have yet to find a guitarist that played as fluid and sax-like -in 1970- as Ollie Halsall(RIP) did; hey , even HE couldn't play like that a few years later.
The combination of Mike's (Patto) gravelly and soulful voice and Ollie's guitar/piano/kbd/vibes(!) frontal assault , not to mention Admiral Halsey's pounding virtuoso pummeling of the traps left good 'ole Clive Griffiths' excellent bass playing in second or third place.
I had the chance to record with Ollie in '91 in Madrid and he was something else!!!
I would recommend their second album "Hold your fire" from 1971 as starting point, then the 1st S/T LP and then , the great "Roll'em Smoke 'em put another line out" as a look at their loonier side, and Ollie's astounding piano work. Hey , even the unreleased one "Monkey's Bum" (BTW, available free in Ollie's EXCELLENT page www.olliehallsall.co.uk posted by the one and only Barry Monks) is a revelation...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 15:57
And how about  IF ; their first three albums are jazz-rock pearls.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:32
perhaps Pierre Moerlen's Gong shld be in the JRF section and be separated from Gong proper?

and do check out Isotope 217, led by cornettist Rob Mazurek and guitarist Jeff Parker, which nicely combines jazz rock/jazz funk with electronica........their 3 albums are def worth investigating:

The Unstable Molecule (1997)
Utonian Automatic (1999)
Who Stole The I Walkman (2000)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2007 at 07:51
Originally posted by 10string 10string wrote:

    Yes, Patto should be included in the Archives, I have tried at least twice, but I guess that the Doors are more prog (anybody home???).
Patto were a revelation and I have yet to find a guitarist that played as fluid and sax-like -in 1970- as Ollie Halsall(RIP) did; hey , even HE couldn't play like that a few years later.
The combination of Mike's (Patto) gravelly and soulful voice and Ollie's guitar/piano/kbd/vibes(!) frontal assault , not to mention Admiral Halsey's pounding virtuoso pummeling of the traps left good 'ole Clive Griffiths' excellent bass playing in second or third place.
I had the chance to record with Ollie in '91 in Madrid and he was something else!!!
I would recommend their second album "Hold your fire" from 1971 as starting point, then the 1st S/T LP and then , the great "Roll'em Smoke 'em put another line out" as a look at their loonier side, and Ollie's astounding piano work. Hey , even the unreleased one "Monkey's Bum" (BTW, available free in Ollie's EXCELLENT page www.olliehallsall.co.uk posted by the one and only Barry Monks) is a revelation...

Patto's site
http://members.aol.com/rutler/patto.htm

PLEASE PUT PATTO IN THE ARCHIVES


Don't share you opinion that Patto should be in the PA, a band who were mainstream rock after the first album (the eponymous LP does demonstrate the same experiments as a lot of rock bands in 1970/1, the  "lets try anything to get a sound unique to the band" , e.g. free jazz, but dropped by the second album). Perhaps instead Patto trod a path parallel to the Faces (i.e. British pub/good time rock).

However, Ollie Hassell is revelation (the dedicated website, while ackward to navigate can be a goldmine) - listen to his partnering of Allan Holdsworth on the Tempest's BBC Live In Concert (released as part of the latest Tempest album), and certainly up there with Holdsworth. I love his vibes work with one of the UK's earliest jazz/rock-rock/jazz outfits, Timebox. He did have the reputation of being a great imitator - some times accused on being an idiot savage, he had the ability of learning an instrument and a style of playing, within a few hours. Check out his Beatles-like guitarwork on the Rutles soundtrack. A recently it was discovered that Hassell auditioned for Holdsworth's vacancy in Soft Machine in 1975, but failed to impress Ratledge and Jenkins by playing rock'n'roll on a borrowed guitar................ with his teeth; the borrower was not impressed to get his guitar back sopping wet. Alas Hassell made some bum life decision , for instance working in Gary Glitter's Glitterband for 3 months, and only getting a star-shaped guitar for his efforts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:54
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Where do start with an outstanding independent record label, renown for its jazz, jazz rock, free jazz, avante jazz, avante rock, world fusion and even RIO. BTW Watt is an American indie label handled by ECM, for which the Austrian trumpet Michael Mantler and Carla Bley are probably the best known artists.

So starting with the more avante jazz/rock and perhaps the more challenging recommednations here, then some try Michael Mantler, like the album mentioned above. Mantler tends to encourage the best vocal performances from people as wide ranging as Robert Wyatt, Jack Bruce, Marianne Faithfull, Kevin Coyne, while singing lyrics by Pinter, Beckett etc. You tend to find unusual combinations of musicians with Mantler too, e.g.  I think on a  live album you'll find Jack Bruce, Nick Mason and Ian Underwood........Also greatly like Movies by Mantler with a line-up that includes Tony Williams, Larry Coryell, Steve Swallow. Carla Bley's masterwork is probably Escalator Over The Hill (originally a 3 LP set, now two CD set) witha massive line-up of rock and jazz musicians. BTW what I've always considered to be really a Carla Bley album disguised as a Nick Mason album is Fictitious Sports (Harvest), with Robert Wyatt as an added bonus on vocals.

To ECM. I'll suggest ~ 10, in no particular order but guarantee others will come up with completely different choices of equal validity.

Cloud About Mercury: David Torn. Mark Isham and the then current Krimson rhythm section playing - and setting the way for B.L.U.E

Night: John Abercrombie, Jan Hammer, Michael Brecker & Jack DeJohnette.

Rosensfole: Agne Buen Garnas, Jan Garbarek. A classic of world fusion, mixing medieval Norwegian folk  music with modern synths and largely Indian percussion

Pat Metheny Group: American Garage - my first introduction of Metheny here doing great  guitar lead jazz rock and stilll a favourite 25 years later. Actually Pat Metheny's Rarum: Selected Recordings  released about 18 months ago, is a near perfect collection of tracks from  Metheny's ECM years

Ralph Towner: Solo Concert. Master of the 12 string acoustic and clsssical guitars in stunning solo form live in concert

John Surman: Road To St Ives. Part of Surman's experiment in one man  ambient jazz.

Terj Rypdal : Chaser - hard edged jazz rock. The title track is a tour de force and worth the price of the CD: Rypdal with the effects and all stops out

Zakir Hussain: Making Music, Indo jazz fusion from the original Shakti tablalist - and the only album with both Garbarek and McLaughlin together

Lots of excellent albums by bassist Eberhard Weber, and those on which he guests (esp. Jan Garbarek albums of the 90's). Ampersonal  favourite is the mid 70's album by Gary Burton Quintet (featuring a very young Pat Metheny) and Eberhard Weber as a the named guest is  Ring. Remember Burton was one the earlier jazz men to experiment with rock in the 60's.

SImilarly with English double bassist Dave Holland, too many good ones to choice, but perhaps with view to the Coleman's M-Base experiments of the late 80's try Dave Holland Quintet's The Razor's Edge, with Coleman and Robin Eubanks in the line up

Miroslav Vituous ditto. ECM seem largely to record/release Vitous as a double bass player, but with To Be Continued (with Rydpal and Jack DeJohnette) you'll hear his last great album playing electric bass.

Everyman Band: Without Warning Avant jazz rock with David Torn (guitars & loops) and Marty Fogel  on near free- jazz sax.

And finally, the present with nu.fusion: check out Nils Petter Molvaer's Solid Ether - muted trumpet, part inspired by Miles Davis, with drum'n'bass and scratch, for chill-out variations of European chamber 'jazz'(???)

Start point you may ask? David Torn's  Cloud About Mercury

Some old friends there and also some interesting suggestions I haven’t tried – excellent, thanks very much. 

 

I’ll add a few ECM favourites of my own to the pot:

 

Jan Garbarek Quartet, Afric Pepperbird (1970):  One for free-jazz buffs, this has Garbarek on reeds and flute with Terje Rypdal’s electric guitar, Arild Anderson on acoustic bass and Jon Christensen on drums.  I doubt either Garbarek or Rypdal ever got much further out than they did on this album, which features plenty of atonal scrawling and scrabbling from Rypdal competing for space with Garbarek’s barrage of worrying squawks and squeals on long blowouts like Beast of Kommodo and Blow Away Zone.  The rhythm section also lays down a quite dense and chaotic base for Garbarek and Rypdal to operate over, and much of the time it’s no easy listening exercise (although it will not scare modern noise-rock fans much I guess).  There are some rather pretty passages in the music as well and even some fairly mellow guitar from Rypdal, but even so you need to be in the right mood for this one really (you and possibly your neighbours, as this record has to be played loudly or not at all).

 

Dave Holland Quartet, Conference of the Birds (1973):  A kind of free-ish but often beautifully melodic acoustic jazz, with both Sam Rivers and Anthony Braxton on reeds / flute and Barry Altschul’s percussion.  I find it difficult to describe the music, which really repays close listening - there is so much going on with these four musicians, particularly when the horns / flutes are improvising together over the constantly inventive rhythm section.  Barry Altschul’s percussion work (he uses a whole array of small percussion instruments and marimba as well as drums) is phenomenal on this album, at certain points he seems to have three arms and a separate brain controlling each one.  For this alone I think the album is worth a listen for anyone who digs interesting drummers like Chris Cutler, Bill Bruford or Dave Kerman even though this is purely a jazz album with no discernible rock influence at work.  As a side note, the third track opens with an unaccompanied passage from Holland on acoustic bass - listen from 0:47 seconds to hear a bass motif which would later introduce a well-known song by a band named Nirvana.  Probably a coincidence I would guess.  I’m listening to this album as I write this post and thinking it just might be my favourite acoustic jazz album of the whole seventies…

 

Ralph Towner, Solstice (1974):  Another all-acoustic session, with Garbarek and Christensen again and the mighty Eberhard Weber on bass.  This is my favourite Ralph Towner record (and also has some classic Garbarek).  Mainly these are serene, beautiful compositions with limpid improvisation, but the group also plays with real energy and rhythmic verve when the tempo moves up a notch.  I read somewhere that the Solstice group was seen as ECM’s answer to Oregon - Towner was in both groups - but on the strength of this album I prefer Solstice.  There is a subsequent Solstice album on ECM whose name escapes me, but the original is the one to get.  I have this on an old LP and the sound is particularly good even by ECM’s standard, with Towner’s guitar and Garbarek’s sax luminously present in recorded space. 

 

Tomasz Stanko Septet, Litania - Music of Kryzstof Komeda (1997):  Yet another acoustic jazz session - am I getting too off-topic for the site here? - but I can’t resist including it because it’s so good.  On one level this is mainstream post-bop jazz, but given a distinctively European flavour - the players are Polish and Swedish and the music is that of Polish composer Kryzstof Komeda, including music written for the Roman Polanski films Knife In The Water and Rosemary’s Baby.  It is lifted way out of the normal run of straight ahead jazz albums by the fascinating and often melancholic writing, lovely arrangements for the septet, and superb group feel among the players.  The liner note points out that many of these guys – Stanko on trumpet, Bernt Rosengren and Joakim Milder on saxes, Bobo Stenson on piano, Palle Danielson on acoustic bass, Jon Christensen on drums and occasionally Terje Rypdal on guitar - have been playing together for thirty years.  This seems to show on the record, as there is very little ego on display - there are great solos here but no grandstanding, it is all in the service of the music.  I would actually defy anyone who loves music, even if they have no normal interest in acoustic jazz, to put this record on in circumstances with no distractions, and fail to be utterly drawn in.

 

Nils Petter Molvaer, Khmer (1997):  This is a type of jazz / trip-hop fusion album, possibly quite similar to the one mentioned by Dick in his post above although I have not heard that recording.  This genre seems to be a bit of a Norwegian speciality with various artists including Molvaer, Bugge Wesseltoft and Eivind Aarset who seem to frequently collaborate on each other’s projects (see e.g. Wesseltoft’s album Moving on Jazzland and Aarset’s  Electronique Noire on Jazzland / Emarcy, both of which are worth checking out if you like this type of thing).   I think Khmer is an excellent example of this type of music - these are mood pieces really but very effective ones, with some vaguely east Asian flavours to go with the Scandinavian main course.  The music does not sound at all dated after ten years and there’s some excellent playing from Molvaer among others.

  

I realise that I’ve gone badly outside the stated remit of this thread in this post since it does not mainly deal with jazz-rock, but I hope people will forgive my enthusiasm to proselytise for some great music.  Listening without frontiers! 

 

I will try to make up for it by posting a couple of proper jazz-rock recommendations to this thread later.



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Zoot Horn Rollo - is very good jazz-rock as well
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:42
A proper jazz-rock recommendation:
 
 
David Fiuczynski's Headless Torsos, Amandala
 
This recording dates from 2001 but is new to me.  The band here is the Screaming Headless Torsos minus their vocalist, and consists of Fiuczynski on guitar, Fima Ephron on bass, Daniel Sadownick on percussion and drummer Gene Lake.  Being an all-instrumental recording, there's even more of Fiuczynski's guitar on display than usual.  The album is full of loose and funky grooves - the rhythm section really cooks here - over which Fiuczynski wails like a post-no-wave Hendrix.  It's actually not right to try and sum him up by reference to other guitarists, as he's a unique player with an instantly recognisable sound.  He obviously has chops to spare but does not indulge in fretw**kery - really the most impressive thing about his playing is the way he's always coming up with unexpected ideas, rarely going where you might expect.  After a couple of spins, standout tracks are Fallout Shelter (doomy and relentlessly intense, like funked-up Black Sabbath topped off with positively unearthly howling from a heavily treated guitar) and the misnamed Kiss that Whispers (Fiuczysnki makes the guitar speak in tongues whilst both percussionists throw everything that's not nailed down into the mix).  In fact there are no dull spots on the album: it just smokes throughout. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:50
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Zoot Horn Rollo - is very good jazz-rock as well
Can you recommend an album in particular?  I'm quite interested as I like jazz-rock and Beefheart as well. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:59
Agreed on Patto- I don't feel they should be here, either. Their 3rd album 'Roll Em Smoke Em Put Another Line Up' is a real stoned mess with half the album being just complete throwaway stuff. I don't have the 2nd one but I have the debut. Great album but I'd never really seen it as a prog one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2007 at 16:06
Yellowjackets "Dreamland" is great (fusion?? the band I mean)... also Chick Corea's "The Mad Hatter" which is wicked contemporary classical mumbo jumbo mixed with some great fast-bebop numbers and other miscelaneous pieces
    

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Bill Evans Trio - Sunday at Village Vanguard & Moonbeams

Are my in my playlists nowadays. Recommended. I love them.

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