Jazz Record Albums
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Topic: Jazz Record Albums
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: Jazz Record Albums
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 12:37
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Aim here is to list some good jazz rock albums by artists not as yet included in the archives, but importantly recently recieved and played.>
Scott Henderson: Tore Down House (Warner). Decided to get myself a legit version. Scott Henderson's guitarwork is storming on a variety of jazz rock, blues and blues-soul numbers. Thelma Houston gives a belting performance as guest vocalist. Stand out track: I Hate You - beautifully nasty lyrics. Virgil Donati: Just Add Water ( http://www.virgildonati.com/ - http://www.virgildonati.com/ ). Jazz rock improv jam by the Planet X's Aussie drummer VD (before he joined Derek Sherinian), and Scott Henderson in incredible form Nicholas D'Amato's Royal Society: Nullius In Verba (Buckyball Records). Wayne Krantz guests on guitar and in excellent form - in fact a good introduction to the oft forgotten NYC based guitarist (also check out Krantz's mid 90's recording Two Drink Minimum, which should be available on Enja Records). |
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 11 2006 at 07:19
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I would like to add three more jazz-rock / fusion artists:
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 13:26
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Patto - self titled first album. I was intrigued to read in original liner notes of the album, that Patto thought of themselves as playing jazz but (then in 1971), as a band set up to play rock intruments. Olly Hassell playing vibes (as he had previously with Timebox) gives that feel, but there are several instrumental breaks, that are deliberately set out to give a solo which is jazz. I suppose thinking around, I could come up with several other bands who would play straight rock for the verse and chorus of a song, but then go off at a tangent and play a solo which was free and jazzier than heard elsewhere: Skid Row - check out Gary Moore's guitarwork on Love Story (ex. 34 Hours), John Wilson guitarwork with the rest of Stud (the rhythm section being the remainder of Taste when Rory Gallagher left), Igginbottom with Holdsworth.
Comments to this "phenomenon" of jazz in an otherwise rock setting in the early 70's is most welcomed. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:31
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would sweet smoke apply ? americans in germany. i think they only had i or 2 albums? oops they are listed |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: February 22 2006 at 19:42
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Check out Dreams, their self
titled debut is some awesome jazz rock from 1970 I think. It features
the Brecker brothers on horns, John Abercrombie on guitar and Billy
Cobham on drums. Think a jammier and well, better version of Blood,
Sweat & Tears. Highly recommended. Also, I think that the first 2 or 3 Chicago albums would fall into this catagory. I would also list those (especially 2) as highly recommended. Pekka Pojhola is listed on this site and his records are great jazz rock as well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 10:29
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Chick Corea?
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 10:49
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Also check out the solo albums of Simon Phillips.
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 11:08
| what about extraction made by dennis chambers viktor wooten and greg howe? |
Posted By: Norm Cash
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 11:42
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I'm a sucker for Pat Metheny stuff. One Quiet Night and As Falls Wichita So Falls Wichita Falls (with Lyle Mays) are probably top of my Pat list. I can't let this post go, however, without mentioning George Benson's Breezin'. What an incredibly superb album. "This Masquerade" is one of my all time fave tracks of ANY genre! Benson is such an incredible guitar player, and its a shame that he's more "known" among the general public for his late '70's disco-type chart stuff like Gimme The Night. Pick up some early Benson, pour yourself a malt whisky, turn down the lights, listen and enjoy. ------------- 
"We did it....you and me! Put him right under the table!" |
Posted By: Norm Cash
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 11:44
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It's just dawned on me that a friend of mine just gave me a copy of an album by a band called Ides Of March, who he descibes as being very similar to early Chicago. I haven't had the chance to listen to it yet. Anyone heard of them?
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"We did it....you and me! Put him right under the table!" |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 12:32
Yep - had a hit in US in early 70's called Vehicle - i picked their first album up from a dumper bin in Lancaster PA on my first US visit. Less jazz oriented than the early Chicago albums but still a decent bit of brass rock, apart from some dodgy covers (Eleanor Rigby????). Several bands jumped on the brass rock band wagon in the early 70's: Heaven a Welsh band, somewhat spoilt by a vocalist who made Chris Farlowe sound like a castrati (double LP available on a single CD nowadays), Satisfaction an English band who had been on the UK scene for a decade as Mike Cotton Trad Jazz Band (one LP on Decca, never released on CD). Apart from Chicago and BST, superior brass rockers worth tracking down include If (first four albums - perhaps the most jazz-based of these brass rock groups), Chase (named after their leader and previously a jazz trumpeter in some big jazz bands). More recently (i.e. mid 90's) the Canadian band Glueleg have come out with heavy brass rock, e.g. Heroic Doses, which contains a nice version of Red. |
Norm Cash wrote:Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 12:37
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I have their second album on vinyl with a Gahan Wilson cartoon as the front cover. Were either issued on CD - you'll note the line up in Dreams also appeared almost intact, on Billy Cobham's 2nd to 4th albums? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 12:40
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Have you heard S. Phillips (also Gary Husband) guesting on Ray Russell's new album Goodbye Svengali (Cuneiform Records) - great live track at the end of the album?
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 12:43
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Latest jazz rock fav:
Screaming Headless Torso's Choice Cuts (FuzeMore Records), an excellent and well balanced compilation of tracks from earlier SHT albums and so a great intro to the cutting edge fusion of David Fuiczynski and Co. - in preparation to SHT European visit in March and presumably visit to the UK in April. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 15:47
 Neil Ardley-Kaleidoscope of Rainbows I have yet to hear any of Ardley's other albums, but man, this is one of the best albums I own. British Jazz/Jazz-Rock at its finest!!! ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 16:44
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Thanks for the reminder just ordered it from Amazon.UK at your prompting! |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 17:17
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How about JOHN SCOFIELD. He has some incredible Jazz/
Funnk fusion albums "Loud Jazz", "Blue Matter", "Up All Night", "A Go Go." One of my favorite artists and my favorite guitarist. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 17:27
You will not be dissappointed, believe me!!! ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 07:24
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Very much agree, especially that period after his time with Miles Davis. Some nice work more recently with MMW on A GoGo, and I strongly recommend checking an album by one of leaders of the Norwegian nu.fusion movement Bugge Wesseltoft (with his New Conception of Jazz group). Scofield guests on a long track on Wesseltoft's Live album - and it seems Scofield has always played with the New Conceptions because of the way he intergrates..... Scofield crops up elsewhere - I liked his work the late 80's/early 90's Mike Gibbs' big band album. Recently found a copy of the John Scofield Trio Live EnRoute, which I'm spending some time trying to get into, perhaps because Scofield (like a lot of former jazz rockers) is trying out more mainstream jazz. Never got into the Metheny/Scofield I Can See You House album, which seems to support Allan Holdsworth's argument that on many a duo album, these superstars seem to inhibit each other, so the sparks fail to fly. Indeed to reflect the strength of his feelings here, you'll only find Holdsworth paired once with another guitarist and playing in real time - however, when you check out Brother on the recently issued double by Jon Hiseman's Tempest, Olly Hassell and Holdsworth do push it other hard, the resulting friction making the sparks come. |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 12:42
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Dick, have you got Kaleidoscope of Rainbows yet?
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 12:53
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Some recommended jazz rock groups: Brand X Bruford Gong (Expresso period) Mahavishnu Orchestra Jean-Luc Ponty
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 13:16
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Waiting upon Amazon.UK Marketplace/Caimen USA vendor to supply - apparently on its way (with a 4 to 10 day delay!!!). In the meanwhile ordered from the same place - just over 7 quid for goodness sake: The reviews read so far of the above Terj Rypdal latest, (i.e. Jazzwise, London Times), have been excellent - apparently inspired by Bitches Brew, Rypdal is back on form as a guitarist playing jazz rock (I hope still superbly blending Hendrix & Marvin) Also waiting for another early and forgotten jazz rock album, http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006V5RFQ/026-9226558-7204446?%5Fencoding=UTF8 - by Viola Crayola
(vigorously recommended by the jazz rock afficados of the Fusenet
website, and these guys were also going on about the release of a
second Electromagnets album on CD - but only via Eric Johnson's
website??) . |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 13:28
Flip thanks for the recommendations. Please note, this thread is aimed at letting others on PA know of new releases and reissues by bands/artists in the jazz rock field, who may not be listed in the archives but should be heard. e.g. Talking of Brand X, try: Tunnels' Progressivity
wrt Mahavishnu, try McLaughlin's The Promise with an all star line-up
or the excellent modern re-interpretators of MO's music Mahavaishnu Project (and both Jan Hammer and John McLaughlin approved):
for (the jazz rock) Gong, try Gongzilla (go to their website for the best album deals):
And my current favourite in the jazz rock area the Screaming Headless Torsos' compilation Choice Cuts:
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 13:31
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Dick, I have nothing associated with the ECM label except for an EDQ
album, which I like. I was just wondering if you could recommend a
"definitive" one, I'm up for anything really, and interested in testing
out some recordings from members on that label. Thanks.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 14:47
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How about Michael Mantler/Edvard Gorey - "The hapless child and other inscrutable stories" (ECM/WATT 1976). Avant jazz/prog or something like that. Robert Wyatt on vocals, Steve Swallow on bass, Rypdal on guitar, Carla Bley on kbds, Jack DeJohnette on drums. Amazing. Fantastic. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 15:34
Yup, both can be tracked down on CD, but I only have the first. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 15:57
Meurglys Where do start with an outstanding independent record label, renown for its jazz, jazz rock, free jazz, avante jazz, avante rock, world fusion and even RIO. BTW Watt is an American indie label handled by ECM, for which the Austrian trumpet Michael Mantler and Carla Bley are probably the best known artists. So starting with the more avante jazz/rock and perhaps the more challenging recommednations here, then some try Michael Mantler, like the album mentioned above. Mantler tends to encourage the best vocal performances from people as wide ranging as Robert Wyatt, Jack Bruce, Marianne Faithfull, Kevin Coyne, while singing lyrics by Pinter, Beckett etc. You tend to find unusual combinations of musicians with Mantler too, e.g. I think on a live album you'll find Jack Bruce, Nick Mason and Ian Underwood........Also greatly like Movies by Mantler with a line-up that includes Tony Williams, Larry Coryell, Steve Swallow. Carla Bley's masterwork is probably Escalator Over The Hill (originally a 3 LP set, now two CD set) witha massive line-up of rock and jazz musicians. BTW what I've always considered to be really a Carla Bley album disguised as a Nick Mason album is Fictitious Sports (Harvest), with Robert Wyatt as an added bonus on vocals. To ECM. I'll suggest ~ 10, in no particular order but guarantee others will come up with completely different choices of equal validity. Cloud About Mercury: David Torn. Mark Isham and the then current Krimson rhythm section playing - and setting the way for B.L.U.E Night: John Abercrombie, Jan Hammer, Michael Brecker & Jack DeJohnette. Rosensfole: Agne Buen Garnas, Jan Garbarek. A classic of world fusion, mixing medieval Norwegian folk music with modern synths and largely Indian percussion Pat Metheny Group: American Garage - my first introduction of Metheny here doing great guitar lead jazz rock and stilll a favourite 25 years later. Actually Pat Metheny's Rarum: Selected Recordings released about 18 months ago, is a near perfect collection of tracks from Metheny's ECM years Ralph Towner: Solo Concert. Master of the 12 string acoustic and clsssical guitars in stunning solo form live in concert John Surman: Road To St Ives. Part of Surman's experiment in one man ambient jazz. Terj Rypdal : Chaser - hard edged jazz rock. The title track is a tour de force and worth the price of the CD: Rypdal with the effects and all stops out Zakir Hussain: Making Music, Indo jazz fusion from the original Shakti tablalist - and the only album with both Garbarek and McLaughlin together Lots of excellent albums by bassist Eberhard Weber, and those on which he guests (esp. Jan Garbarek albums of the 90's). Ampersonal favourite is the mid 70's album by Gary Burton Quintet (featuring a very young Pat Metheny) and Eberhard Weber as a the named guest is Ring. Remember Burton was one the earlier jazz men to experiment with rock in the 60's. SImilarly with English double bassist Dave Holland, too many good ones to choice, but perhaps with view to the Coleman's M-Base experiments of the late 80's try Dave Holland Quintet's The Razor's Edge, with Coleman and Robin Eubanks in the line up Miroslav Vituous ditto. ECM seem largely to record/release Vitous as a double bass player, but with To Be Continued (with Rydpal and Jack DeJohnette) you'll hear his last great album playing electric bass. Everyman Band: Without Warning Avant jazz rock with David Torn (guitars & loops) and Marty Fogel on near free- jazz sax. And finally, the present with nu.fusion: check out Nils Petter Molvaer's Solid Ether - muted trumpet, part inspired by Miles Davis, with drum'n'bass and scratch, for chill-out variations of European chamber 'jazz'(???) Start point you may ask? David Torn's Cloud About Mercury |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 16:52
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Has anyone heard about band called Les Projectionnistes. Judging by names they are French or Canadiens or French-Canadiens. In only one album I have "Copie Zero" they offer beautiful mixture of jazz-rock/fusion with avant-gard/RIO.
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 18:29
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John Abercrombie (guitarist) most notably Timeless, Night and Getting There Beautifully constructed melodies and improvisation. For me Pat Metheny is to Yes (bright, transparent) what John Abercrombie (dark, deeper) is to King Crimson. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 18:31
Interesting parallel  |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:00
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Thanks for all that information.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: nobody
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 04:46
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The Fourth Way is a seminal and vastly underrated band that existed from 1968-1970, consisting of Mike Nock (keyboards), Michael White (violin), Ron McClure (bass) and Eddie Marshall (drums). They made 3 records for Capitol's "progressive" imprint Harvest: The Sun and the Moon Have Come Together (a live concert from Berkeley, California in 1968), The Fourth Way (their only studio album, pictured above, from 1969), and Werwolf (a live album from the Montreux Jazz Festival, 1970). Of these, only the first one has ever been on CD and that disc has been out of print for close to 20 years. All 3 of these smoke, but the latter one from the Montreux festival just about melts your stereo... they have a furious, spacey/jammy sound, tons of improvisation, kind of like the Ian Carr-led band Nucleus but even more out there and "free". If you can find any of these albums you should not hesitate to grab them... they feature a great balance between earthfunk and spacejam that is totallly unique and fantastic. ------------- "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom I will provide!" |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 11 2006 at 05:48
Excellent news. Stuart Nicholson in his Jazz Rock A History spends a chapter or two on pre-Bitches jazz rock, but many of those recordings have been slow to appear on CD*. To date I have relied on a burn taken for a LP copy of the first album, and have a copy of violinist's Michael White's late 70's Lp The X Factor - which was more about trying to jump on the jazz funk band wagon of the late 70's. *What comes to mind wrt CD reissues are: Count's Rock Band, a couple of Charles Lloyd albums. And wrt to the broader range of fusion the first two John Mayer/Joe Harriott Indo Jazz Fusion Double Quintet albums are available as a twoforone, Mike Westbrooks Marching Songs (Vol 1 and 2), and Ian Carr's pre-Nucleus recordings with Don Rendell (?). And I think some of Gary Burton's records??? What about some of those mid-60's albums of the NYC collective which had Larry Coryell, Mike Brecker involved? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 21 2006 at 18:37
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Recent additions: Terj Rypdal Vossebrygg (ECM) - Rypdal makes a serious move in Norway's nu.fusion movement with several well known Norwegian jazzmen and accompanied by the nu-fusion master Bugge Wesseltoft. Said to be the Bitches Brew of 21st Century - too little time to digest that aspect. A couple of new releases from Montreal's Unicorn Records: Karcius with Sphere and Sibylle with their self-titled album. Check out the ALT2 - see separate thread for details how you can hear from some tunes of these new releases. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 09:11
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Just picked up this statement of endorsement on the Fusenet website Quote: And let me add a quote for my favorite Michael Mantler recording - For Something There: End Quote A reminder that Nick Mason did get in with really serious jazz company. Recent recommendations, stemming from the PA Jan Hammer discography and prompting by those who know here: Elvin Jones: Up The Mountain (John Coltrane's favourite drummer, and Hammer in pretty serious straight jazz mode. Horacee Arnold: Tales Of An Exonerated Flea - and with a real who's who of jazz rock: Jan Hammer, Rick Laird, John Abercrombie, Ralph Towner, David Earle Johnson, etc. Great album, great groove and why have I missed for 30+ years until now? If you like Mahavishnu, RTF, Oregon, etc. you have to try this record.
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 21:34
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CHRISTIAN MCBRIDES ' VERTICAL VISIONS" is good--also 'SCI-FI".Great accoustic and electric bass playing with ahot band I think. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 04:18
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And his reaction to being a disciple to the Wynton Marsalis creed of jazz -purityfor a long time and then discovering Weather Report recordings!!!! |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 04:34
The Best Miles Davis' album from the 80s:
Composed and arranged by Palle Mikkelborg, with excellent participation of John McLaughlin. All styles of popular music are incorporated within the compositions - blues, reggae, etc. And it's sort of a concept album - every track's title is a name of a particular colour. RECOMMENDED !!! ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: kidofthecentury
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 08:55
Virgil Donati is one of my favourite drummers, and probably one of the most skilled in the world. I haven't listened to that album, but I wll  Thanks for the hint. ------------- http://www.mylodonrecords.com/ |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 02:31
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I have won a few ECM albums and bought two last weekend, here's the
list (by the way, I listened to samples of the ones I am getting and/or
read reviews): Chick Corea-Piano Improvisations Vol. 2 (excellent, as I expected) Steve Tibbetts-Big Map Idea (I'm REALLY impressed by this one, amazing stuff!) Michael Mantler-Hide and Seek Brahem/Surman/Holland-Thimar John Abercrombie-Open Land Garbarek/Khan-Ragas and Sagas Garbarek-In Praise of Dreams The last five are from an ebay seller and most were around five bucks a piece, I can't wait to hear them. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:44
| Just received two Nels Cline Singers' albums: Instrumentals and The Giant Pin + a free sampler CD, plus future discounts and a free gift (according to accompanying paperwork) from the Cryptogramophone Record Co of Venice CA for under 17 quid (including P&P), so no duty, and reached me in less than 8 days of placing the order. Nels Cline is a superb free jazz rock guitarist and occasional lead guitarist of Wilco. And this after hearing Nels Cline being interviewed and played on BBC Radio 3 's Mixing It two Fridays ago - btw a programme real prog fans should check occasionally for what is happening music-wise. |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 19:44
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I like this:
Brad Mehldau trio - Anything Goes
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters (Funk-Fusio)
Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius
Try anything by Michael Camilo, very good piano player
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 19:59
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Billy Cobham - Spectrum.
Really good album! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:21
Yes it is!!!
 , also A Funky Thide Of Things is awesome |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 28 2006 at 12:49
| Out of the blue, I've been sent a promo copy of Gricer's self-titled album by the lead guitarist's wife (or sister). Minimalist free rock going jazz rock (they call themselves Post Rock) , most interesting so expect some tracks on future radio shows. To me of importance, Steve Howe's son Dylan is the band's drummer. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 04:42
not too up on "jazz genres" but i like these................
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 05:22
If you are into Bad Plus, check out other nu.jazzers: Brad Mehldau (especially his recent studio recordings, e.g. on Nonesuch Records), Estbjorn Svensen Trio (EST) (almost can't go wrong with EST, wrt to any of their albums). |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 05:22
| KEITH JARRETT "Paris Concert" |
Posted By: ummagumma08
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 07:35
This really blew my mind, absolutely amazing! I have had it for a week now, and I can't get it out of my mind, I listen to it as often as possible!
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Posted By: 10string
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 04:12
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Yes, Patto should be included in the Archives, I have tried at least twice, but I guess that the Doors are more prog (anybody home???).
Patto were a revelation and I have yet to find a guitarist that played as fluid and sax-like -in 1970- as Ollie Halsall(RIP) did; hey , even HE couldn't play like that a few years later. The combination of Mike's (Patto) gravelly and soulful voice and Ollie's guitar/piano/kbd/vibes(!) frontal assault , not to mention Admiral Halsey's pounding virtuoso pummeling of the traps left good 'ole Clive Griffiths' excellent bass playing in second or third place. I had the chance to record with Ollie in '91 in Madrid and he was something else!!! I would recommend their second album "Hold your fire" from 1971 as starting point, then the 1st S/T LP and then , the great "Roll'em Smoke 'em put another line out" as a look at their loonier side, and Ollie's astounding piano work. Hey , even the unreleased one "Monkey's Bum" (BTW, available free in Ollie's EXCELLENT page www.olliehallsall.co.uk posted by the one and only Barry Monks) is a revelation... Patto's site http://members.aol.com/rutler/patto.htm PLEASE PUT PATTO IN THE ARCHIVES |
Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: January 02 2007 at 15:57
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And how about IF ; their first three albums are jazz-rock pearls.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000EJ9LZW/ref=dp_image_0/103-1738705-1593466?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music">  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000EJ9M06/ref=dp_image_0/103-1738705-1593466?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00008OETZ/ref=dp_image_0/103-1738705-1593466?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music"> ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:32
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perhaps Pierre Moerlen's Gong shld be in the JRF section and be separated from Gong proper? and do check out Isotope 217, led by cornettist Rob Mazurek and guitarist Jeff Parker, which nicely combines jazz rock/jazz funk with electronica........their 3 albums are def worth investigating: The Unstable Molecule (1997) Utonian Automatic (1999) Who Stole The I Walkman (2000) |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 07:51
Don't share you opinion that Patto should be in the PA, a band who were mainstream rock after the first album (the eponymous LP does demonstrate the same experiments as a lot of rock bands in 1970/1, the "lets try anything to get a sound unique to the band" , e.g. free jazz, but dropped by the second album). Perhaps instead Patto trod a path parallel to the Faces (i.e. British pub/good time rock). However, Ollie Hassell is revelation (the dedicated website, while ackward to navigate can be a goldmine) - listen to his partnering of Allan Holdsworth on the Tempest's BBC Live In Concert (released as part of the latest Tempest album), and certainly up there with Holdsworth. I love his vibes work with one of the UK's earliest jazz/rock-rock/jazz outfits, Timebox. He did have the reputation of being a great imitator - some times accused on being an idiot savage, he had the ability of learning an instrument and a style of playing, within a few hours. Check out his Beatles-like guitarwork on the Rutles soundtrack. A recently it was discovered that Hassell auditioned for Holdsworth's vacancy in Soft Machine in 1975, but failed to impress Ratledge and Jenkins by playing rock'n'roll on a borrowed guitar................ with his teeth; the borrower was not impressed to get his guitar back sopping wet. Alas Hassell made some bum life decision , for instance working in Gary Glitter's Glitterband for 3 months, and only getting a star-shaped guitar for his efforts. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:54
Some old friends there and also some interesting suggestions I haven’t tried – excellent, thanks very much. I’ll add a few ECM favourites of my own to the pot: Jan Garbarek Quartet, Afric Pepperbird (1970): One for free-jazz buffs, this has Garbarek on reeds and flute with Terje Rypdal’s electric guitar, Arild Anderson on acoustic bass and Jon Christensen on drums. I doubt either Garbarek or Rypdal ever got much further out than they did on this album, which features plenty of atonal scrawling and scrabbling from Rypdal competing for space with Garbarek’s barrage of worrying squawks and squeals on long blowouts like Beast of Kommodo and Blow Away Zone. The rhythm section also lays down a quite dense and chaotic base for Garbarek and Rypdal to operate over, and much of the time it’s no easy listening exercise (although it will not scare modern noise-rock fans much I guess). There are some rather pretty passages in the music as well and even some fairly mellow guitar from Rypdal, but even so you need to be in the right mood for this one really (you and possibly your neighbours, as this record has to be played loudly or not at all). Dave Holland Quartet, Conference of the Birds (1973): A kind of free-ish but often beautifully melodic acoustic jazz, with both Sam Rivers and Anthony Braxton on reeds / flute and Barry Altschul’s percussion. I find it difficult to describe the music, which really repays close listening - there is so much going on with these four musicians, particularly when the horns / flutes are improvising together over the constantly inventive rhythm section. Barry Altschul’s percussion work (he uses a whole array of small percussion instruments and marimba as well as drums) is phenomenal on this album, at certain points he seems to have three arms and a separate brain controlling each one. For this alone I think the album is worth a listen for anyone who digs interesting drummers like Chris Cutler, Bill Bruford or Dave Kerman even though this is purely a jazz album with no discernible rock influence at work. As a side note, the third track opens with an unaccompanied passage from Ralph Towner, Solstice (1974): Another all-acoustic session, with Garbarek and Christensen again and the mighty Eberhard Weber on bass. This is my favourite Ralph Towner record (and also has some classic Garbarek). Mainly these are serene, beautiful compositions with limpid improvisation, but the group also plays with real energy and rhythmic verve when the tempo moves up a notch. I read somewhere that the Solstice group was seen as ECM’s answer to Tomasz Stanko Septet, Litania - Music of Kryzstof Komeda (1997): Yet another acoustic jazz session - am I getting too off-topic for the site here? - but I can’t resist including it because it’s so good. On one level this is mainstream post-bop jazz, but given a distinctively European flavour - the players are Polish and Swedish and the music is that of Polish composer Kryzstof Komeda, including music written for the Roman Polanski films Knife In The Water and Rosemary’s Baby. It is lifted way out of the normal run of straight ahead jazz albums by the fascinating and often melancholic writing, lovely arrangements for the septet, and superb group feel among the players. The liner note points out that many of these guys – Stanko on trumpet, Bernt Rosengren and Joakim Milder on saxes, Bobo Stenson on piano, Palle Danielson on acoustic bass, Jon Christensen on drums and occasionally Terje Rypdal on guitar - have been playing together for thirty years. This seems to show on the record, as there is very little ego on display - there are great solos here but no grandstanding, it is all in the service of the music. I would actually defy anyone who loves music, even if they have no normal interest in acoustic jazz, to put this record on in circumstances with no distractions, and fail to be utterly drawn in. Nils Petter Molvaer, Khmer (1997): This is a type of jazz / trip-hop fusion album, possibly quite similar to the one mentioned by Dick in his post above although I have not heard that recording. This genre seems to be a bit of a Norwegian speciality with various artists including Molvaer, Bugge Wesseltoft and Eivind Aarset who seem to frequently collaborate on each other’s projects (see e.g. Wesseltoft’s album Moving on Jazzland and Aarset’s Electronique Noire on Jazzland / Emarcy, both of which are worth checking out if you like this type of thing). I think Khmer is an excellent example of this type of music - these are mood pieces really but very effective ones, with some vaguely east Asian flavours to go with the Scandinavian main course. The music does not sound at all dated after ten years and there’s some excellent playing from Molvaer among others. I realise that I’ve gone badly outside the stated remit of this thread in this post since it does not mainly deal with jazz-rock, but I hope people will forgive my enthusiasm to proselytise for some great music. Listening without frontiers! I will try to make up for it by posting a couple of proper jazz-rock recommendations to this thread later. |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 15:58
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Zoot Horn Rollo - is very good jazz-rock as well
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:42
A proper jazz-rock recommendation:
 David Fiuczynski's Headless Torsos, Amandala
This recording dates from 2001 but is new to me. The band here is the Screaming Headless Torsos minus their vocalist, and consists of Fiuczynski on guitar, Fima Ephron on bass, Daniel Sadownick on percussion and drummer Gene Lake. Being an all-instrumental recording, there's even more of Fiuczynski's guitar on display than usual. The album is full of loose and funky grooves - the rhythm section really cooks here - over which Fiuczynski wails like a post-no-wave Hendrix. It's actually not right to try and sum him up by reference to other guitarists, as he's a unique player with an instantly recognisable sound. He obviously has chops to spare but does not indulge in fretw**kery - really the most impressive thing about his playing is the way he's always coming up with unexpected ideas, rarely going where you might expect. After a couple of spins, standout tracks are Fallout Shelter (doomy and relentlessly intense, like funked-up Black Sabbath topped off with positively unearthly howling from a heavily treated guitar) and the misnamed Kiss that Whispers (Fiuczysnki makes the guitar speak in tongues whilst both percussionists throw everything that's not nailed down into the mix). In fact there are no dull spots on the album: it just smokes throughout.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:50
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 15:59
| Agreed on Patto- I don't feel they should be here, either. Their 3rd album 'Roll Em Smoke Em Put Another Line Up' is a real stoned mess with half the album being just complete throwaway stuff. I don't have the 2nd one but I have the debut. Great album but I'd never really seen it as a prog one. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 16:06
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Yellowjackets "Dreamland" is great (fusion?? the band I mean)... also Chick Corea's "The Mad Hatter" which is wicked contemporary classical mumbo jumbo mixed with some great fast-bebop numbers and other miscelaneous pieces
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Posted By: ailgun
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 17:53
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Bill Evans Trio - Sunday at Village Vanguard & Moonbeams
Are my in my playlists nowadays. Recommended. I love them. Sorry if they are known too much. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 14:09
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[QUOTE=Mascodagama]A proper jazz-rock recommendation:
David Fiuczynski's Headless Torsos, Amandala
This recording dates from 2001 but is new to me. The band here is the Screaming Headless Torsos minus their vocalist, and consists of Fiuczynski on guitar, Fima Ephron on bass, Daniel Sadownick on percussion and drummer Gene Lake. Being an all-instrumental recording, there's even more of Fiuczynski's guitar on display than usual. The album is full of loose and funky grooves - the rhythm section really cooks here - over which Fiuczynski wails like a post-no-wave Hendrix. It's actually not right to try and sum him up by reference to other guitarists, as he's a unique player with an instantly recognisable sound. He obviously has chops to spare but does not indulge in fretw**kery - really the most impressive thing about his playing is the way he's always coming up with unexpected ideas, rarely going where you might expect. After a couple of spins, standout tracks are Fallout Shelter (doomy and relentlessly intense, like funked-up Black Sabbath topped off with positively unearthly howling from a heavily treated guitar) and the misnamed Kiss that Whispers (Fiuczysnki makes the guitar speak in tongues whilst both percussionists throw everything that's not nailed down into the mix). In fact there are no dull spots on the album: it just smokes throughout. [/I strongly endorse any promotion of David Fuze Fiuczynski - he's extra-special after he wrote and recorded a jingle for my radio show. Excellent start point is the SHT 2006 compilation Choice Cuts - but I must track down Amandala on your recommendation. Fuze is on a couple of Gongzilla albums. Did a one off with John Medeski, Lunar Crush. Check out his take on Lennon McCatney's Tomorrow Never Knows on one of those Come Together tributes - Wayne Krantz's version of the tune at the other end of the same album, is equally brilliant. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 07 2007 at 14:31
The Choice Cuts album was my first one - I think purchased after reading a review by you on Amazon, so thanks for that! I'll certainly be checking out the other records you mention. By the way, the only place I know of that has the Amandala album is CDBaby.com, though there could be others.
I notice from earlier in the thread you got the Nels Cline Singers albums, I wonder how you liked them? I have both and listen to Instrumentals quite a bit, some excellent music there. His brother's Alex Cline Ensemble is well worth checking out too though it's not fully in the jazz-rock bag.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 08:57
Nice to know somebody reads those reviews in Amazon!!! BTW if you are following up on any other of my recommendations, more than happy to provide further input.
A Henry Kaiser produced bootleg by the Cline Brothers, a live spontaneous tribute to Tony Williams Lifetime, was my first introduction (well over a decade after the album's recording), which caused me to correspond with Nels, to the end that maybe but only just maybe the recording will be legitimised by Cuneiform....... And then an interview on BBC Radio 3 with Nels Cline had me sending off for a couple of NCS albums including Instrumentals from their LA-based record label (cheap and very fast turn round on orders). NCS are very interesting left field fusion but take time to get to grips with it - it is not immediate music. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 09:45
I do have a couple of your Listmania lists bookmarked for later investigation, so I may just take you up on that offer...
That live bootleg sounds interesting. On the subject of tributes to Lifetime, I've a feeling you may know it already, but there's a pretty good 1994 album from the Wayne Peet Trio (Peet on organ / synth bass, G.E. Stinson guitar, Lance Lee drums) on 9 Winds called Fully Engulfed. It's a live-in-the-studio job with some full-on playing (though there is some light and shade, they don't just go hell for leather all the way through).
I do use http://www.indiejazz.com - www.indiejazz.com (I guess it's them you're referring to?) and agree they're just excellent for new left-field US jazz. I have a package on the way at the moment in fact!
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 10:25
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I'll offer another jazz-rock suggestion: 
Anders Nilsson's Aorta, Janus
A 2005 recording from the Swedish quartet of Anders Nilsson (guitar), Mattias Carlson (saxes / flute), David Carlsson (bass) and Peter Nilsson (drums). There are a couple of good reviews of the album on its page at CDBaby.com linked below so I won't elaborate too much on the music, other than to say it's excellent jazz-rock with a definitely European feel to it (one could imagine this group being on ECM).
Available here (where there are reviews and useful samples):
http://cdbaby.com/cd/aorta2 - http://cdbaby.com/cd/aorta2
or directly from the label, Kopasetic Productions in Sweden:
http://www.kopasetic.se/Musician.asp?id=395 - http://www.kopasetic.se/Musician.asp?id=395 http://www.kopasetic.se/Default.asp?id=3 -
There is an earlier album by the group entilted Blood on Kopasetic which is also good, but for my money the later album is preferable.
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 10:54
Let me introduce my latest discovery: a great polish jazz/rock band Laboratorium. I made a thread about them ( http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32213 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32213 ) and promote their inclusion to the archives. Last year Metal Mind Productions released their Anthology 1971-1988 containing everything they ever recorded (limited edition to 1000 copies):  I bought it having never heard them before and was blown away. You can find their biography, discography and lineup here: http://metalmind.pl/index.php?dzial=artysci&id=212 - http://metalmind.pl/index.php?dzial=artysci&id=212 ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 01:42
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also check out cornettist Rob Mazurek's various Chicago Underground projects (Orchestra, Duo, Trio, Quartet) on the Delmark and Thrill Jockey labels (Thrill Jockey is also home to Tortoise, Isotope 217 and some other experimental jazz acts). He's actually more from a post-bop background but he's fully embraced the power of electronics (even released such works on labels like Mego) and the Trio and Quartet (which feat. guitarist Jeff Parker) albums explore fusing rock and electronic textures with bop-based jazz..... Excellent stuff.... |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 05:50
| the Laboratorium collection looks very good....yes i shall look into ordering that.......... |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 05:58
| ..if i can find it...and omigod its 10 cds hahaha maybe i spoke too soon!!!! |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 08:27
This sounds interesting, thanks. I'll check it out. Any particular recordings you would suggest as a starting point?
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 08:35
I'm intrigued - shame the record label doesn't have any streams...
Do you know if they have any records in print?
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 08:55
The Anthology of course. Besides that they issued only three of their albums on CD before: Modern Pentathlon, Quasimodo and Anatomy Lesson. I highly recommend especially the first two (you can see them in my sig). ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 09:40
The Anthology is quite an investment! I'll look out for the individual albums you mention though, thanks.
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 10:25
Yes it is. But it's worth it.  You get all their albums (studio and live) with a lot of bonus material plus a CD with previously unreleased material. 10 CDs!------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:27
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Hi there, Mascodagama Do try em out: Chicago Underground Trio - Flamethrower (Delmark) Chicago Underground Quartet - s/t (Thrill Jockey) Chicago Underground Duo's (Mazurek & drummer Chad Taylor both on a variety of instruments & electronics) album Axis & Alignment (Thrill Jockey) is also worth getting... happy tryin!!! |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 13:06
I checked out some reviews on-line and ordered Flamethrower - sounds like my kind of thing
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Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 12 2007 at 00:51
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thats great man!!! judging by one of yr previous posts recommending Afric Pepperbird ( i have that too) and other albums i thought you might like the Chicago-school. Their roots are not so much in jazzrock but more in the Art Ensemble of Chicago/Sun-Ra mold of composed/improvised jazz. Hey, but its thru them (incl Tortoise and Isotope 217) that i first discovered Weather Report, Miles and other jazz rock........ that said, anyone who likes jazzrockfusion should be able to like the Chicago Underground Trio and Quartet albums.......... |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 24 2007 at 00:37
| just got my copy of Laboratorium's Modern Pentathlon cd reissue. Freekin awesome!!! The way they use the electronics reminds me a little of Herbie Hancock's Sextant but in all this is pretty original and unique stuff. Brilliant!!! |
Posted By: superprog
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 03:34
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2 records i recently acquired that jazzrock folks might also be interested in: Mandarin Movie - s/t (Aesthetics) Good ol' Rob Mazurek's Mandarin Movie project is a headspinning dip into the deep dark waters of electro noise and extreme metal aesthetics.......guaranteed to crush!!! Shining - In The Kingdom of Kitsch You Will Be a Monster (Rune Grammofon) This album is released on the same label which hosts almighty Supersilent. Shining's previous albums were pretty much acoustic jazz-based works but this latest album sees them going all-out avant prog. Thrilling stuff!!! |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 30 2007 at 04:57
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Just got a copy of Hectic Watermelon's The Great American Road Show in from the US - great music, which slides back and forth across the straighter prog rock and jazz rock boundaries - Jerry Goodman's violin adding to those uncertainties. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: 10string
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 09:29
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Are The Doors , Led Zeppelin, etc.(in the archives) more of a Prog band than Patto? I DON'T really think so.
You may disagree , but I doubt you have heard their discography (jazz-rock sounds like PROG to me) in full.
I don't know who's in charge here but I think that if the above mentioned acts are in the archives and not PATTO , this site is LOST IN SPACE and it is not a valid prog site...
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 09:33
Yeah, you're absolutely right, this one fact alone is more than enough to invalidate the entire site and render the efforts of all those who contributed to it pointless and void. I just wish I'd had this insight sooner!
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 23:27
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The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Patto??
What's it got to do with this thread....and frankly, do we really care? What the...... ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: 10string
Date Posted: March 28 2007 at 10:47
| oh excuse me , if you really don't care don't write anything, mister... |
Posted By: william314159
Date Posted: August 15 2007 at 19:26
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uncle moe's space ranch
GHS
Vital Tech Tones
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