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Witchwoodhermit 
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Joined: February 23 2006
Location: Canada
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Points: 871
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 Posted: December 31 2006 at 01:28 |
Of course it's about oil. Control the oil - you control the world. The U.S doesn't have that control. This is where the problems began, with Bush senior. Saddam wouldn't play ball. To suggest that oil is irrelevant is living in denial, wishfull thinking at best. If Bush's motives were to "free the world" the States would be at war with every little dictatorship on the planet. Unfortuately, only the countries of value to America will be graced with invasion and social destruction.
Bush's war is illegal. Thousands are dead and more will continue to die, all because of a family feud and ultimate abuse of power.
Saddam deserved justice. Now, so does Bush.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Syzygy
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Joined: December 16 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 7003
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 01:25 |
I doubt that too many tears will be shed for him by the Kurdish community (among others) but this execution is more likely to incite further violence than it is to contribute to any kind of peaceful future for Iraq. Saddam Hussein alive and growing older and more decrepit in prison would show him as the vanquished thug that he truly was; Saddam Hussein hanged at dawn has all the trappings of martyrdom and the dangerous fanaticism that it inspires.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Australian
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 13 2006
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 3278
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:56 |
 stonebeard wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to take back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
 Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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Yeah, it does seem that way. Probably because America thinks it always has to take the initiative with things. It's ok to be part of a coalition, but do we always have to be in the forefront? C'mon, just a supporting role once! |
Situations like these keep the wheels turning, industrially and economically. It’s a strange think to say but without these conflicts then the world wouldn’t operate in the same way.
Edited by Australian - December 31 2006 at 00:57
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:35 |
freekske wrote:
does OIL ring any bells?? |
No. There are plenty of places to drill for oil in the western world... if not for those damned ultra-lib environmentalists. Going to war for Iraqi oil is absurd and blatantly false.
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freekske
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 11 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 339
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:33 |
does OIL ring any bells??
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 Yes it is!!
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 08 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 8191
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:31 |
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We are too powerful, other nations repel against that.
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Beauty will save the world.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:30 |
E-Dub wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to take back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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Yeah, it does seem that way. Probably because America thinks it always has to take the initiative with things. It's ok to be part of a coalition, but do we always have to be in the forefront? C'mon, just a supporting role once!
Edited by stonebeard - December 31 2006 at 00:31
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DarioIndjic
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 15 2005
Location: Universe
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Points: 600
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:20 |
I don't believe this hollywood made crap,If they are executing Saddam how it is possible that they didnt found Ben Laden yet?
Im sure that Saddam and his family were exiled by Americans to somewhere in safety.And the one who is being 'executed' is some Saddam's clone.
I know it sounds stupid but i believe that its the truth.
Take a look here :
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1079
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=729
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1547794,00.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=725
http://web.archive.org/web/20041101034559/http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12494
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FRTGAM.20031218.wiraq-saddam1218%2FBNStory%2FInternational%2F&ord=1162827334070&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:11 |
E-Dub wrote:
ResidentAlien wrote:
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who honor Jesus and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like this should be left out of the forum.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who
honor Bush and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like
this should be left out of the forum.Maybe a statement like "Bush should be executed" should be left out of the forum. Hell, everyone expects a double standard.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 22:18
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E-Dub
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Joined: February 24 2006
Location: Elkhorn, WI
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Points: 7910
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:09 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who honor Jesus and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like this should be left out of the forum.
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E-Dub
Special Collaborator
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Joined: February 24 2006
Location: Elkhorn, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 7910
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:08 |
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to takle back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:36 |
well then no biggies 
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Jesus Gabriel
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:34 |
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 21:35
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
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Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:34 |
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I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same
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Jesus Gabriel
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:29 |
markosherrera wrote:
can you imagine,saddam hussein,pinochet and bush together in the paradise or heaven or in the resurrection?the death of saddam is because he is guilty for the death of 148 chiis,pinochet is accused for 3000 death .but in irak bush have the guilty of hundred of thousands deaths |
There we go again. Bloody f**kin' hell... And besides, Saddam killed 5,000 kurds as well as ordered the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of other people. Bush has ordered the killing of NO BODY aside from legitimate military targets. If you serve the army in a time of war, you are a military target.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 21:33
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ResidentAlien
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Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:29 |
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Lol. I don't care what Jesus said. I prefaced the whole argument with the warning that I am an atheist. I don't accept Christ as my savior... or anyone else for that matter. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER BEING. Jesus was just some poor schmuck, etc, etc. So I have no reason to "remember that" as it would mean nothing to me if I did.
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markosherrera
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 01 2006
Location: World
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Points: 3252
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:28 |
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can you imagine,saddam hussein,pinochet and bush together in the paradise or heaven or in the resurrection?the death of saddam is because he is guilty for the death of 148 chiis,pinochet is accused for 3000 death .but in irak bush have the guilty of hundred of thousands deaths
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:21 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Verses 22-27. And when men shall quarrel, and shall strike a pregnant woman, and her births go forth, and harm is nor done, with fining he shall be fined, as the woman‘s master shall lay upon him; and he shall give according to the judges. And if harm is done, then thou shalt give soul for soul, eye for eye tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow. And when a man shall smite the eye of his manservant, or the eye of his maidservant, and shall destroy it; he shall let him go free for his eye. And if he shall knock out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant‘s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth.By the by, I'm an atheist.  But the Bible says what it says... punishment should be equal saith the "good book."
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That was the old law... Jesus said quite the contrary... remember that
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Jesus Gabriel
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 08 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Points: 8191
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:01 |
Alright alright break it up kids 
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Beauty will save the world.
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 20:58 |
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Never said I was joking. I said that it's a double standard to say it's alright to insult Americans and their way of living but not to insult the way of living of any other country.
On topic...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9087086043100727672&q=saddam+execution&hl=en
Full execution.
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