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progismylife
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 19 2006
Location: ibreathehelium
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 12:22 |
Death is the worst punishment for a crime. THe person cannot refelct on what they did and try to make amends or ask for forgiveness.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
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Points: 28057
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 12:22 |
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to takle back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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WaywardSon
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 23 2006
Location: Brazil
Status: Offline
Points: 2537
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 12:23 |
What actually annoys me more than the hanging, is the way the media have reacted.
Surely everyone has the right to die with some dignity?
To take photos and make little video clips of the event to broadcast worldwide is disgusting.
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The Lost Chord
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 23 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1907
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 13:17 |
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King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16890
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 15:18 |
progismylife wrote:
Death is the worst punishment for a crime. THe person cannot refelct on what they did and try to make amends or ask for forgiveness. |
Saddam will obviously not reflect on what they did wrong
But killing him is the worst offense, because Saddam wants to be killed in order to be a martyr. Killing Saddam is not the solution, it will cause further problems in the future in Iraq and there will no stable government in Iraq, unless the country splits into three.
Or put another dictator like Saddam and va-la, "stability".
Edited by King of Loss - December 30 2006 at 15:18
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 18:10 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
ResidentAlien wrote:
Easy Livin wrote:
Take a telling RA.
English is not the first language of all Canadians.
Calling other memebrs unintelligent or ignorant is out of line, end of story.
Moving on... | Lol. Yes it is. French is the second language of Canadians. |
Sorry, RA but you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
Canada has two equal official languages. English and French. (The majority of Quebecers, for example, speak French as their mother tongue.)
We also have many immigrants whose first language is neither English nor French, and the most ethnically-diverse city in the world -- Toronto.
Get your facts straight before making pronouncements about other people's countries, please!
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On topic: I am against capital punishment, even for murdering dictators. (Though if anyone ever deserved to die for his crimes against his own people, Saddam surely was one such.)
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Oh the irony. It's ok for a Canadian to make a vulgar and offensive statement about my president is it? But it's not right for me to make a similar statement towards a Canadian? Give me a break.
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 20:50 |
There is something which left this execution and it is: Saddam became a "martyr".
Those he killed had human rights as well. But judging him in the Hague would have been better (the way Milosevic was judged); he didn't deserve that sentence; he deserved to rot in a maximum security prison like Milosevic (who comitted suicide).. There is about 5% of countries that have death sentences (which goes against human rights already established) so this sentence is regressive, IMO
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Jesus Gabriel
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 20:53 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9087086043100727672&q=saddam+execution&hl=en
There's the execution for whomever wanted it. It looks like it's sourced from a camera phone. Shakey and blurry but definitely legit. It's filmed from the staircase leading up to the gallows.
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Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: January 31 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 9669
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 20:56 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Oh the irony. It's ok for a Canadian to make a vulgar and offensive statement about my president is it? But it's not right for me to make a similar statement towards a Canadian? Give me a break. |
Well, Alien, perhaps you'll give me a break in return. Your statement about Canadian mother tongues was presented as if it were fact, with no indication (emoticon, or otherwise) that you were joking, or did not mean what you said.
I don't recall anything about insulting presidents (lousy ones, or otherwise) in our discourse (such as it is) either. I thought you were talking -- in an ignorant fashion -- about Canadian language patterns, in a thread supposedly about the execution of Saddam Hussein. I seem to have been mistaken. Silly me.
Carry on wih your illuminating, informed analysis , please.
Edited by Peter Rideout - December 30 2006 at 20:57
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 20:58 |
Never said I was joking. I said that it's a double standard to say it's alright to insult Americans and their way of living but not to insult the way of living of any other country.
On topic...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9087086043100727672&q=saddam+execution&hl=en
Full execution.
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 08 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 8191
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:01 |
Alright alright break it up kids
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Beauty will save the world.
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:21 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Verses 22-27. And when men shall quarrel, and shall strike a pregnant woman, and her births go forth, and harm is nor done, with fining he shall be fined, as the woman‘s master shall lay upon him; and he shall give according to the judges. And if harm is done, then thou shalt give soul for soul, eye for eye tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow. And when a man shall smite the eye of his manservant, or the eye of his maidservant, and shall destroy it; he shall let him go free for his eye. And if he shall knock out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant‘s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth.By the by, I'm an atheist. But the Bible says what it says... punishment should be equal saith the "good book."
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That was the old law... Jesus said quite the contrary... remember that
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Jesus Gabriel
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markosherrera
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 01 2006
Location: World
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Points: 3252
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:28 |
can you imagine,saddam hussein,pinochet and bush together in the paradise or heaven or in the resurrection?the death of saddam is because he is guilty for the death of 148 chiis,pinochet is accused for 3000 death .but in irak bush have the guilty of hundred of thousands deaths
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:29 |
Lol. I don't care what Jesus said. I prefaced the whole argument with the warning that I am an atheist. I don't accept Christ as my savior... or anyone else for that matter. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A HIGHER BEING. Jesus was just some poor schmuck, etc, etc. So I have no reason to "remember that" as it would mean nothing to me if I did.
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:29 |
markosherrera wrote:
can you imagine,saddam hussein,pinochet and bush together in the paradise or heaven or in the resurrection?the death of saddam is because he is guilty for the death of 148 chiis,pinochet is accused for 3000 death .but in irak bush have the guilty of hundred of thousands deaths |
There we go again. Bloody f**kin' hell... And besides, Saddam killed 5,000 kurds as well as ordered the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of other people. Bush has ordered the killing of NO BODY aside from legitimate military targets. If you serve the army in a time of war, you are a military target.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 21:33
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:34 |
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same
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Jesus Gabriel
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ResidentAlien
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 17 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 441
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:34 |
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 21:35
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: Venezuela
Status: Offline
Points: 1991
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 21:36 |
well then no biggies
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Jesus Gabriel
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E-Dub
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 24 2006
Location: Elkhorn, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 7910
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:08 |
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to takle back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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E-Dub
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 24 2006
Location: Elkhorn, WI
Status: Offline
Points: 7910
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:09 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who honor Jesus and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like this should be left out of the forum.
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