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Tenken 
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 Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:51 |
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Peart is a particularly pert, practiced pounder, it's perfectly apparent.
If you don't vote for brother Bill, you're either a too-young metal kid, an idiot, or both! 
It's like choosing the guy from the Flower Kings over Hackett or Howe -- duhhhhh! 
Yes & Crimson blazed a trail -- Rush followed (as best they could). |
according whith that point of vew..you should be superior!!!
anyway, for me Bruford is the "School" of everyone and Peart is "The Show" after that school... and I entretain more listening to Peart, but it's just a matter of Taste.
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 ˇˇEl Rocanrol no morirá jamás!!
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 14:34 |
Tenken wrote:
[according whith that point of vew..you should be superior!!! anyway, for me Bruford is the "School" of everyone and Peart is "The Show" after that school... and I entretain more listening to Peart, but it's just a matter of Taste. |
Didn't you know, Peter is CLEARLY superior to everyone else on this site, especially all those pathetic little metal-listening angst-ridden kiddies?
/sarcasm 
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:31 |
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 13:46 |
 ^ Ben, Tenken, please don't take my posts like the above too seriously -- they are deliberately inflammatory, and decidedly tongue-in-cheek.
If we were face to face, you'd see my smile, and the mischievious twinkle in my jaded eye, when I say things like I did above. (I don't really think that way.)
Smile a little. Spar with me -- it's all in good fun. (Those who've been here long enough tend to figure that out.)
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Seriously, I do prefer Bruford's style though, and I see him as a much more important figure than Peart in the history of prog drumming. Just one man's opinion.
(The right one, too!  )
Peart is really great though, no doubt.
Edited by Peter Rideout - December 01 2006 at 15:07
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 14:09 |
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Peart....not Pert.
Bruford is probably more influential as a Prog drummer but Peart definitely has a higher profile than Bruford amongst the general "drumming community".
Again from Drummerworld Site (no affinity with Peart at all)
Neil Peart is the most popular drummer today. When it comes to voting in Modern Drummer or Drummerworld - Neil Peart is always the No. 1.
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:04 |
Tony R wrote:
Peart....not Pert.
Bruford is probably more influential as a Prog drummer but Peart definitely has a higher profile than Bruford amongst the general "drumming community".
Again from Drummerworld Site (no affinity with Peart at all)
Neil Peart is the most popular drummer today. When it comes to voting in Modern Drummer or Drummerworld - Neil Peart is always the No. 1.
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I knew that, in a previous incarnation.
Sorry, pal, but I think that's just record sales talking (as in all of the folks here who say that Chris Squire is a more technically-skilled bassist than Victor Wooten).
Often, these polls (and the mags' polls are no exception) merely reflect album sales, and the type of music most popular among the readers, IMO.
Too many will always vote on the basis of how many albums they own/which band's music they prefer. For example, in the recent Squire vs Wooten poll, I voted Wooten, despite having no Bela Fleck or Wooten discs (just some downloads, made when I still did such thieving, reprehensible things). Yes, Squire is very good, and I love Yes, and have many of their albums. But I have seen both men play live. (I saw Wooten in a bar, not more than six feet from me.) I tell you, I've seen plenty of great bands, but I had NEVER seen clearly virtuoso bass playing of that magnitude before! Everyone in the audience (including my musician friends) was blown away by what he did. He is an absolute MASTER of his instrument -- he can do it all!
Rush are hugely popular, and still recording and selling massively -- their profile is obviously bigger than that of early Yes, Crimson, or Bruford's solo/jazz projects -- and heavier music is preferred these days, thus Peart will always prevail in the voting.
But mere numbers don't tell all -- is Michael Jackson the best singer ever? Does McDonald's make the best burgers in the world? Is KFC the best chicken? Sales figures would seem to indicate as much....
Edited by Peter Rideout - December 01 2006 at 15:06
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:15 |
^ Generalizing ... it's clearly my favorite sin. 
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Tenken
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:16 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
^ Ben, Tenken, please don't take my posts like the above too seriously -- they are deliberately inflammatory, and decidedly tongue-in-cheek.
If we were face to face, you'd see my smile, and the mischievious twinkle in my jaded eye, when I say things like I did above. (I don't really think that way.)
Smile a little. Spar with me -- it's all in good fun. (Those who've been here long enough tend to figure that out.)
Peace
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Seriously, I do prefer Bruford's style though, and I see him as a much more important figure than Pert in the history of prog drumming. Just one man's opinion.
(The right one, too! )
Pert is really great though, no doubt. |
Ok , no problem, I understand (at least as far as my english let me to) I just said that because clearly what you know abuout music here (obviosly it should be more than me) is enough to criticize other people who have different tastes than yours, and I thought you were like despisig a little. That makes me remember that I was looking for forums in other countries and other Language just for learning and sharering my opinions with peolpe who is supposed to know more than me. cause in all the forums where i have been before they have been boring for me, and people is not nice each other because of their tastes.
Sorry I'm just starting to know all of you and what you think about different topics.
I don't like when people offend others just because they think what they like is more important. For instance; I Know that Bill Brufford is more important in the History of Progressive Rock than Peart, even if Bill is not as famous or popular I don't know although he played in "monsters" of bands like Yes or King Crimson, but I like Neil Peart music, the way he plays is not boring for me, may be he "over uses" the Snare or his Solos are a little bit "repeated", but I'm going to say the same.."It's Just a matter of taste"
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:19 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:22 |
^ so you don't know the movie ... I just think that second-guessing the reasoning behind statements, ratings or votes can be a really bad thing - it totally distorts reality. Like when many people vote for Squire in that poll, and you deduce "that must be because he's more popular". 
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Tenken
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:28 |
Peter you Talked about Bassists players... what about Trey Gunn?
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:48 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ so you don't know the movie ...
I just think that second-guessing the reasoning behind statements, ratings or votes can be a really bad thing - it totally distorts reality. Like when many people vote for Squire in that poll, and you deduce "that must be because he's more popular".
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No, afaid I don't. 
I did take care to add "IMO," though, Mike.
And I really do think that poll results often reflect popularity, not what they might set out to measure. See the bassist poll in question -- look at how many times the writer had to remind people that the poll was about technical ability, not songwriting or popularity.
Anyway, Peart and Bruford are CLEARLY BOTH GREAT, and the best I can manage on a drum kit is a shaky 4/4 time!
Bet I know more obscure words, though! 
Waddaya mean, Peart's an accomplished writer? 
Damn the man!
Bet my dirt bike is bigger -- doh! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:54 |
Taller -- that's it, I must be taller than Peart.
Bet he's a regular midget....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Chus
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:57 |
Billy Cobham 
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Tony R
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:07 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Taller -- that's it, I must be taller than Peart.
Bet he's a regular midget.... |
I know you know Peart's about 6'2" 
Rush might sell more albums than latter-day Bruford projects but in general neither band has a huge profile amongst the masses.
Peart is The Man because so many "modern" drummers across many styles have said to their fans or fledgling drummers "if you want to be a great drummer then listen to Neil Peart."
Peart is respected and popular despite being in one of the uncoolest bands in the world...
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:10 |
Chus wrote:
Billy Cobham |
not only is he neither Peart nor Bruford, how many of his albums do you own?
Cobham,Levin,Pastorius would have been far better off if you guys that insist on trotting their names out everytime someone mentions "the greatest.." had actually BOUGHT some of their albums...
the proof of someone's musical greatness should be the ability to at least create something people want to buy,I mean if you cant flog albums to prog fans then you must be pretty average at musical composition...
Edited by Tony R - December 01 2006 at 16:13
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:35 |
Tony R wrote:
Chus wrote:
Billy Cobham |
not only is he neither Peart nor Bruford, how many of his albums do you own?
Cobham,Levin,Pastorius would have been far better off if you guys that insist on trotting their names out everytime someone mentions "the greatest.." had actually BOUGHT some of their albums...
the proof of someone's musical greatness should be the ability to at least create something people want to buy,I mean if you cant flog albums to prog fans then you must be pretty average at musical composition...
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Billy Cobham is in Mahavishnu Orchestra, a band of which some albums I own.
It seems that to many people symphonic prog is the only prog there is... If I want to listen to technical ability and compare it I'd listen to jazz fusion (I haven't listened to Bruford's solo albums yet so I can't make opinion on Bruford). However, his work with KC's avant-gardy stuff is great, but even so, I can't comment on him. When I listen to symphonic prog like Yes or, Neo-Symphonic Prog like Rush, I listen to teamwork and composition, not technical ability (in which there must be at least a minimum technical requirement, of course), which is why when I read a thread saying "who's the superior guitarist: Hackett or Howe", I simply just refer to their compositional talent because I know I could find artists in "prog" who are better than them in ability to perform, perhaps something which couldn't be said probably about guys like Rick Wakeman, for example; but those are exceptions
"the proof of someone's musical greatness should be the ability to at least create something people want to buy,I mean if you cant flog albums to prog fans then you must be pretty average at musical composition"...
Well, why should I mention albums, this is not a "prog recommendation" poll, now is it..
 no biggies
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Tony R
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:39 |
Way to kick my butt Chus..
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Chus
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:48 |
Well, I'm learning a lot from Ivan
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Tony R
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:51 |
Chus wrote:
Well, I'm learning a lot from Ivan |
then you forgot something...
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