Bruford or Peart?
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Topic: Bruford or Peart?
Posted By: rileydog22
Subject: Bruford or Peart?
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 23:45
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I would have to go with Bill Bruford. Everytime I listen carefully to his drumming, I am absolutely blown away. Peart is awesome too, but I don't think he's quite at the same level. Please don't post something about how you prefer some other drummer; I know you like Portnoy, keep it to yourself. -------------   |
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 23:47
| Neil Peart for His Lyrics and tasty drumming |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 23:49
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A silly poll between the master and pupil.
Bruford will walk this poll!
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 23:49
If you prefer his drumming, that's fine. But the question "who is the superior drummer" is unrelated to "who is the superior lyricist." ------------- |
R o V e R wrote:Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 00:00
oh!!! i shouldnt vote, i dont know , who is the superior, 
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Posted By: CaptainWafflos
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 00:20
| I like Bruford's style a bit more. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 00:30
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Peart is the best ...period. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 00:42
| Peart |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 01:13
Peart is a particularly pert, practiced pounder, it's perfectly apparent.
But Bill Bruford has a broader range, and has been bravely breaching the borders from the start -- he is instantly recognizable, and a true prog pioneer.
 If you don't vote for brother Bill, you're either a too-young metal kid, an idiot, or both!
 It's like choosing the guy from the Flower Kings over Hackett or Howe -- duhhhhh!
 Yes & Crimson blazed a trail -- Rush followed (as best they could).  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: surrounded23
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 01:50
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who is the superior drummer!Come on guys, is this a joke? A question like that in progarchives? There are 15-20 drummers that we can say they are the best in the world.Each of them has its unique style so its simply a matter of taste then. |
Posted By: Bt-Tor
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 01:54
| Although I like both, I prefer Peart's musical sense over Bruford, I find Peart more complementary to the music he's playing. |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 01:58
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peart is great for his lyrics and his attempt at perfection.
bruford is great because he's done so much and had so much influence. both are great but Rush is my favorite band and peart is behind so my vote goes to peart. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 06:32
| Very hard choice for me, but I choose Bruford. |
Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 06:50
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Quite hard to choose, but Peart wins. Incomparable perfection. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 08:19
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<<If you don't vote for brother, you're either a too-young metal kid, an idiot, or both!>>
Hey, I didn't know Michael Richards was on Prog Archives! You were great on Seinfeld, but need to polish your stand-up act a bit. 
Anyway, I voted for Peart. E ------------- 
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 08:23
| Peart. Bruford a close second. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 08:57
That's opinion presented as logic and pretty poor logic to boot. Bach and Mozart blazed a trail - - Beethoven followed (as best he could) Orville and Wilbur blazed a trail - - Reginald Mitchell followed ( as best he could) The hare blazed a trail - - the tortoise followed (as best he could) duhhhhh! as for Bruford "having a broader range" ..... discuss please Professor... 
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Posted By: YYZed
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:13
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Bruford is the better of the two. More technical skill, and a more prolific and influential musician.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:17
That may be true, but just for once it would be nice for someone to demonstrate how "he has more technical skill" and is "more influential." otherwise it just reads like lazy rhetoric. Opinion offered as fact.... 
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Posted By: Fuzz
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:26
| Peart for his lyrics, energy, tastefulness and musicality in general. |
Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:38
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Bill Bruford for me
------------- "I'm on a roll, I'm on a roll this time, I feel my luck could change.. " |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:44
I agree! If you're going to make a point back it up with facts! Haven't you ever written an essay before!? This is an extremely tough poll for me. Both of them are probably the two best prog drummers in my opinion. Although Larks Tounges in Aspic parts 1&2 are hard to beat, but I must go with the Professor (Peart). I think he plays a little bit more agressively than Bill and I just like his style of playing a little bit more. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 09:55
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When I listen to Peart's Drum Solo or the intro to "The Weapon" I find it difficult to imagine how someone could be "more technically proficient" - equal,well maybe, but better technically....can't see it.
Who is the superior...well the parameters aren't qualified so the whole poll is pointless. So it all boils down to whether you prefer Rush to King Crimson and/or Yes....and a great deal of snobbery... 
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 11:33
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I think it depends what mood I am in who I like the best. They are both phenomenal drummers. I was going to vote for Bruford, but suddenly changed my mind.So Peart gets my vote. He has done some amazing things. Nevertheless, next week I could easily vote for Bruford! |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 11:42
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 13:33
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I vote for RINGO STARR ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: willy
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 13:33
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I like bruford better for his style, but peart is the better drummer, without question.
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 13:42
| Bill Bruford |
Posted By: YYZed
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 13:44
As far as influence is concerned, mid 70's king crimson has affected just as many musicians as all of Rush's career. Every rock musician I know has given both about an equal listen. But then with bruford there's also Yes, his late 70's fusion stuff, Earthwork's, 80's and 90's KC. He's everywhere and is at least a subconscious influence on every drummer that listens to him. Like influence, we don't have some sort of way to measure it. I've seen more amazing stuff from Bruford than Peart like playing in different time signatures w/ different limbs, etc. Pardon my laziness. -------------
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 14:00
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In before BaldFriede to say: "Pierre Moerlen"!
Seriously though, my choice is Jack DeJohnette.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 14:12
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Peart is overrated! Bruford, no question! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 14:20
How is Peart over-rated? From "Drummerworld": Neil Peart... Neil Peart is the most popular drummer today. When it comes to voting in Modern Drummer or Drummerworld - Neil Peart is always the No. 1. Bear in mind that whilst Rush are popular they arent in the top tier in terms of album sales and public perception. Peart manages to be "high-profile" as a drummer despite palying for a singularly unhip band and being Canadian - I am not being flippant here. If anything Peart is under-rated because he lacks the exposure more "hip" drummers enjoy... |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 14:40
I just don't think he is as good as Moerlen, Bruford, Collins, Palmer etc. etc. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:01
"etc. etc." So one could insert any drummer here could one? What a ridiculous statement.... 
Why didnt you just say " I think Peart is over-rated because that is what I think.I have no rational argument or facts to back this up,it is just what I think...and what I think is what I beleive.." |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:08
Well, yes
 Just kidding here Tony, what I meant was that I just don't like Peart as much as some other drummers. I think he get's more credit than he deserves, but that's just my opinion. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:12
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So how much credit does he garner and how much does he deserve?
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:25
| Neither of them is very high on my list, but Peart was high on Buddy Rich's list. So much for getting and deserving credit. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:28
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Your deliberatly being pedantic here arent you Tony. I chose Bruford because his drumming has immpressed me more than Pearts. Bruford seems to have more controle, he knows when to pound he hell out of the drum kit and when to be gentle and subtle to a degree that I havnt heard Peart get anywhere near . Though I only have A Farwell To Kings and 2112 to judge Peart on and I have more of Brufords work, those two Rush albums havnt impressed me enough to make me think wow and explore his work further. The Yes Album did that for me regarding Bruford. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:31
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I can learn Bruford stuff a lot faster so I guess that makes Peart better. Also, I rather listen to Peart.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 15:50
You've only heard two Rush albums and that makes you qualified to sum up his career worth? I am stunned....
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 16:30
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Peart is too robotic and looks very stiff when he's playing. Also his drum solo's are the most boring I've ever heard. He's never done anything outside of Rush so he's never been in great demand as a session player.
Bruford by a country mile!
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 16:40
Bruford's work on Yes is definitely short of spectacular, I wouldn't even have to think about this poll if Bruford hadn't joined King Crimson. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 19:55
are you familiar with the dictionary definition of "never"? Errr....he has done work outside of Rush. He is in very great demand to do work outside of Rush,however as he is also a full-time writer he doesnt do this as well as obviously not being a "session musician"....what a ridiculous notion...
As for his drum solos being "the most boring" what a ridiculous statement that is on so many levels... I find it bizarre that so many people here operate from the perspective of "what I believe is what I know" How quaint. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 19:59
Clearly you didnt read my post Tony, thier was nothing about anything of Rush, drumming and all, that made me want to explore them furthure. Bruford was a damn good drummer in Yes and it was he that made me want to explore Crimson furthar after Islands as he joined Fripp then (I found Islands boring). Ergo, Bruford>Peart since he got me interested in a band that I wasnt impressed with. Can you say that the abilities of Rush got a whole lot better after A Farewell To Kings, Since that is the only way that I could find Peart better than Bruford? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 20:17
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Peart of course.
He is nearly as good as Portnoy
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 21:16
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I find it hard to believe that you put these two drummers side by side on a stage and let them just cut loose, that most of the eyes wouldn't be on Peart. Bruford is very good; but, next to Peart it's no contest.
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Posted By: Radar Love
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 21:24
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Peart's one of those drummers who needs to be suurounded by an array of drums just to make him look good, whilst if you listen, he over uses the snare so what's the point
Bruford is far, far better than Peart.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 21:30
Ridiculous. It's not like he's Alex Van Halen who had these drum kits the size of a small town, but were only there as an illusion. Peart utilizes every square inch of that kit and makes his instrument a relevant part of Rush's music. E -------------
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 04:47
The question hinges on Bruford vs. Peart, not 'who is the best prog drummer.' Bruford's broad range of styles puts him far ahead of Peart, despite Peart's accomplishments with Rush. In the late 1970s, even Peart admitted that he admired the better ability of Terry Bozzio, and Bozzio definitely ranks right up there with the mastery and wide-range of styles like Bruford.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 08:39
Well you only have to check out their BIO to see that Moving Pictures is considered their "pinnacle" followed by Hemispheres(both after AFTK - though I dont agree with Hemispheres in this position. AFTK was released in 1977 and their latest studio album in 2002. 2112 was only Rush's 3rd studio album to include Peart and AFTK the fourth an both were heavy rock albums,so there would be alot of pounding. Rush's music evolved greatly between 1974 and 1983 allowing Peart more freedom to express himself. Rush werte a far heavier band than Yes so obviously he played in that style! This discussion is so lazy. There is so much snobbery at play here disguised as reasoned argument which itself,when you scratch the surface is mere suppposition. Bah humbug! If you are going to contribute to these things at least put some thought into it...original though at that. |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 10:44
| Assuming that most of the posters here don't play the drums and aren't exactly fit to judge drumming skill (not that there's anything wrong with that of course), this poll really boils down to Yes/King Crimson vs. Rush. And guess who is more respected on this site? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 10:51
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Which only goes to show that such polls have little to do with the truth, whatever it is in this case. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 14:01
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Better? mmm, they are different Favorite? Bruford, oh yes ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 12:12
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Listening to "The Rhythm Method" from A Show Of Hands...love to see Bruford pull some of this stuff off. Wouldn't happen.
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Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 17:31
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Bill Bruford is probably the best drummer ever to walk the earth. Every time I listen to him play, I am astonished. He's so clean and precise and everything he does fits perfectly in the song. With other drummers, I sometimes imagine things they could have done to improve a particular song, but never with Bruford. Also, in response to E-Dub, my 19 year old friend can play the rhythm method. It's a question of style, not talent in that particular case. Peart is excellent, of course, but I think Bruford is capable of playing just about anything. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 18:05
And he plays it as fluidly and brilliantly as Peart? Anybody can get out there and make a valliant attempt; but, it's another thing to pull it off. I've seen cover bands playing a Rush tune, but it sounds like total crap. I'd still be surprised to hear Bruford ever play anything as crisp as Peart. Especially on some of those fills (i.e. "The Spirit Of The Radio" comes to mind). Bruford strikes me as one whose strength is hi-hat/snare/bass drum interplay. I've never heard a fill that just floored me, though. Lastly, I think it's a testament when Peart's influencing a new generation of drummers like your buddy.
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Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 19:13
Tie. 
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 19:45
Listen to the end of Cygnus X-1 again. What Peart does with the drums there is amazing. I don't know what you see in Bruford's drumming with Yes. He was awesome on King Crimson, but his playing with Yes is sort of lame. |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 17:34
Lame
 ...........ever heard 'heart of the sunrise', 'close to the edge' and any other Yes track he plays on? |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 17:45
| I voted for Peart but I agree with Jeremy, Bruford's Yes output is very high quality. Heart of the Sunrise, South Side of the Sky, Close to the Edge, and more are all brilliant. |
Posted By: Tenken
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:51
according whith that point of vew..you should be superior!!! anyway, for me Bruford is the "School" of everyone and Peart is "The Show" after that school... and I entretain more listening to Peart, but it's just a matter of Taste. -------------  ¡¡El Rocanrol no morirá jamás!!
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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 14:34
Didn't you know, Peter is CLEARLY superior to everyone else on this site, especially all those pathetic little metal-listening angst-ridden kiddies? /sarcasm 
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Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:31
Bill
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 13:46
 ^ Ben, Tenken, please don't take my posts like the above too seriously -- they are deliberately inflammatory, and decidedly tongue-in-cheek.
If we were face to face, you'd see my smile, and the mischievious twinkle in my jaded eye, when I say things like I did above. (I don't really think that way.)
Smile a little. Spar with me -- it's all in good fun. (Those who've been here long enough tend to figure that out.)
Peace
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Seriously, I do prefer Bruford's style though, and I see him as a much more important figure than Peart in the history of prog drumming. Just one man's opinion.
(The right one, too!
)Peart is really great though, no doubt. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 14:09
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Peart....not Pert.
Bruford is probably more influential as a Prog drummer but Peart definitely has a higher profile than Bruford amongst the general "drumming community". Again from Drummerworld Site (no affinity with Peart at all) Neil Peart is the most popular drummer today. When it comes to voting in Modern Drummer or Drummerworld - Neil Peart is always the No. 1. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:04
Sorry, pal, but I think that's just record sales talking (as in all of the folks here who say that Chris Squire is a more technically-skilled bassist than Victor Wooten).
Too many will always vote on the basis of how many albums they own/which band's music they prefer. For example, in the recent Squire vs Wooten poll, I voted Wooten, despite having no Bela Fleck or Wooten discs (just some downloads, made when I still did such thieving, reprehensible things
). Yes, Squire is very good, and I love Yes, and have many of their albums. But I have seen both men play live. (I saw Wooten in a bar, not more than six feet from me.) I tell you, I've seen plenty of great bands, but I had NEVER seen clearly virtuoso bass playing of that magnitude before! Everyone in the audience (including my musician friends) was blown away by what he did. He is an absolute MASTER of his instrument -- he can do it all!Rush are hugely popular, and still recording and selling massively -- their profile is obviously bigger than that of early Yes, Crimson, or Bruford's solo/jazz projects -- and heavier music is preferred these days, thus Peart will always prevail in the voting.
But mere numbers don't tell all -- is Michael Jackson the best singer ever? Does McDonald's make the best burgers in the world? Is KFC the best chicken? Sales figures would seem to indicate as much.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:15
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^ Generalizing ... it's clearly my favorite sin.
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Tenken
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:16
Ok , no problem, I understand (at least as far as my english let me to) I just said that because clearly what you know abuout music here (obviosly it should be more than me) is enough to criticize other people who have different tastes than yours, and I thought you were like despisig a little. That makes me remember that I was looking for forums in other countries and other Language just for learning and sharering my opinions with peolpe who is supposed to know more than me. cause in all the forums where i have been before they have been boring for me, and people is not nice each other because of their tastes. Sorry I'm just starting to know all of you and what you think about different topics. I don't like when people offend others just because they think what they like is more important. For instance; I Know that Bill Brufford is more important in the History of Progressive Rock than Peart, even if Bill is not as famous or popular I don't know although he played in "monsters" of bands like Yes or King Crimson, but I like Neil Peart music, the way he plays is not boring for me, may be he "over uses" the Snare or his Solos are a little bit "repeated", but I'm going to say the same.."It's Just a matter of taste" ------------- ¡¡El Rocanrol no morirá jamás!!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:19
In general?
All things in moderation, Miquel -- especially moderation! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:22
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^ so you don't know the movie ... I just think that second-guessing the reasoning behind statements, ratings or votes can be a really bad thing - it totally distorts reality. Like when many people vote for Squire in that poll, and you deduce "that must be because he's more popular". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Tenken
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:28
Peter you Talked about Bassists players... what about Trey Gunn?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:48
No, afaid I don't.
I did take care to add "IMO," though, Mike.
And I really do think that poll results often reflect popularity, not what they might set out to measure. See the bassist poll in question -- look at how many times the writer had to remind people that the poll was about technical ability, not songwriting or popularity.
Anyway, Peart and Bruford are CLEARLY BOTH GREAT, and the best I can manage on a drum kit is a shaky 4/4 time!
Bet I know more obscure words, though!
 Waddaya mean, Peart's an accomplished writer?
 Damn the man!
Bet my dirt bike is bigger -- doh!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:54
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Taller -- that's it, I must be taller than Peart.
Bet he's a regular midget....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 15:57
Billy Cobham ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:07
I know you know Peart's about 6'2"
Rush might sell more albums than latter-day Bruford projects but in general neither band has a huge profile amongst the masses. Peart is The Man because so many "modern" drummers across many styles have said to their fans or fledgling drummers "if you want to be a great drummer then listen to Neil Peart." Peart is respected and popular despite being in one of the uncoolest bands in the world...
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:10
not only is he neither Peart nor Bruford, how many of his albums do you own?
Cobham,Levin,Pastorius would have been far better off if you guys that insist on trotting their names out everytime someone mentions "the greatest.." had actually BOUGHT some of their albums... the proof of someone's musical greatness should be the ability to at least create something people want to buy,I mean if you cant flog albums to prog fans then you must be pretty average at musical composition...
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:35
Billy Cobham is in Mahavishnu Orchestra, a band of which some albums I own.
It seems that to many people symphonic prog is the only prog there is... If I want to listen to technical ability and compare it I'd listen to jazz fusion (I haven't listened to Bruford's solo albums yet
so I can't make opinion on Bruford). However, his work with KC's avant-gardy stuff is great, but even so, I can't comment on him. When I listen to symphonic prog like Yes or, Neo-Symphonic Prog like Rush, I listen to teamwork and composition, not technical ability (in which there must be at least a minimum technical requirement, of course), which is why when I read a thread saying "who's the superior guitarist: Hackett or Howe", I simply just refer to their compositional talent because I know I could find artists in "prog" who are better than them in ability to perform, perhaps something which couldn't be said probably about guys like Rick Wakeman, for example; but those are exceptions "the proof of someone's musical greatness should be the ability to at least create something people want to buy,I mean if you cant flog albums to prog fans then you must be pretty average at musical composition"...
Well, why should I mention albums, this is not a "prog recommendation" poll, now is it..
no biggies------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:39
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Way to kick my butt Chus..
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:48
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Well, I'm learning a lot from Ivan ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:51
then you forgot something...
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:53
... unfortunately I don't know how to put that font code ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 17:18
Aha -- then I've got about an inch on the wee fella! (in 4/4 time):
Peart, Peart, you're a squirt
In your eyes, I kick the dirt.
You've piles of money
But your lyrics aren't funny.
You're a better drummer, and your bike, she is bigger
But it is I, not you, who cuts the more manly figure!
Thank you, thank you -- yes, I'm a brilliant poet, I know it! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 18:43
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Peter,dear Peter
Please give up your rhyme. You have no grasp of meter and your rhyming's a crime...
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 18:52
| I liked Neil's old lyrics, occasionally. But I think Bill Bruford is a better drummer. And I remember listening to an interview with Rush who said Yes influenced them a lot. |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: December 02 2006 at 00:32
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Neil Peart is the man ------------- 
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Posted By: Olias
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 09:56
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VypHKKaP6yk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VypHKKaP6yk |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 16:48
Honestly, I could care less about influence, if Robert Plant is more influential than Geddy lee, it doesn't make him a better singer. I'm just voting for the one I think is better. Playing in odd time signatures doe snot make you a better drummer than another. I just think I pay attention to the drums more in Rush because they are more interesting. If you play just the drum part of CTTE I would probably not recognize it as easily as if you played the drum part to Hemispheres or 2112. Both are fantastic drummers, bit in a hard rock setting like KC or Rush, more aggressive drums are needed, which I think Bruford isn't as good at. He was fantastic on CTTE for example, because it fit the music, but he played a similar style of drumming in KC, which is a lot heavier than YES. -------------
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 00:30
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Neil Peart's style is very cold and calculated. He's very talented, but he lacks Bruford's amazing ability to improvise. ------------- 
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Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 15:05
| Bruford (KC) > Peart > Bruford (Yes) |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: December 09 2006 at 16:17
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Uhm..................................................... Nunzio "Cucciolo" Favia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 07:59
| BRUFORD with YES but his work with KC is less impressive! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 08:16
When I see Peart storming and straining around his kit I dont think "cold or passionless", I sense emotion and power. Rush arent a band for improvs, that isnt what they are about so that comparison isnt fair. Watching the Hells Bells video presented above and I see a great drummer, but I dont see anything other than a normal performance. I dont think "wow-what passion and emotion!" |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:33
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Drumming is all about improvisation. With some exceptions, if you play a drum "part," then you're probably a square. And by the way, that video wasn't incredibly impressive. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 13:40
I love it when words are made up when some mistypes something/
Back to the point, I believe that Peart is a great drummer and all but Bruford beats him hands down. Bruford's playing seems to be more elaborate in a way. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 15:18
I thought drumming was all about music. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 15:21
Isn't drumming about keeping a steady beat with some improvisation and a great groove? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 15:25
Which would make it music. And since there are drummers such as Rashied Ali and Sunny Murray, who usually don't keep a steady beat (or at least I can't hear one in their work), then I guess it's still best to say that drumming is all about music. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 15:26
you only need a groove if you want to dance to it.... |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 15:31
What I meant by the groove remark is.... ah crap I don't know. Maybe I meant hitting something besides the hi-hat and snare to keep the beat. Or maybe not playing a simple beat but something somewhat complex.
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 17:49
I think you've got that backwards. ------------- |