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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 17:34
Originally posted by Trky_Lym Trky_Lym wrote:

King Crimson after Red

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No more tears was a disgraceful album. Ozzmosis had about 3 decent songs, but the rest is crappy
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:32
Originally posted by smithers smithers wrote:

No more tears was a disgraceful album. Ozzmosis had about 3 decent songs, but the rest is crappy
 
Off course, now THAT'S WHEN Ozzy lost his famous progressive edge... (Confused)
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Ozzy lost it in 1983 :)
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Points: 51 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:47
Why don't we digress TOTALLY and start discussing as to when Liberace lost his progressive streak? Or perhaps Dean Martin? LOL
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You gotta love this strand. But title it 'When Prog Bands Go Bad' and sell it to ESPN2.

One rule and one rule only; when the minion from the record company asks for a hit single; THAT's when prog bands go bad. Of course, prog singles can be good - Follow You Follow Me etc, Anyone's Daughter's Viel zuviel...

Tangerine Dream: after they ditched the mellotron. Last decent album, 'Logos'

Floyd: Animals

Genesis: And Then There Were Three (some pretty tunes)

Tull: Heavy Horses (altho Bursting Out postdated it)

Machiavel: Mechanical Moonbeams

PFM: Performance

Funnily enough there were some bands who took the record company shilling and still made OK albums - AD's Neue Sterne (Brain) was one, as was Focus's unbelievably mad Focus Con Proby, and Banco's self-titled 1983 pop album was almost as good as A-ha.

30-minute epic or 3-minute single - by their progressive talent shall ye know them. Or something.

 
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I'll give King Crimson's later albums another chance, I'm just not so fond of Adrian Belew's voice for King Crimson.

 

As for Tangerine Dream, I'll give Poland a listen. I'm also confused about Green Desert, I know it was recorded in 1973, but it released and re-mixed in 1984, so is it considered to be apart of their "pink years" or is it the "blue years" no matter what?



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Originally posted by Paul Stump Paul Stump wrote:

You gotta love this strand. But title it 'When Prog Bands Go Bad' and sell it to ESPN2.

One rule and one rule only; when the minion from the record company asks for a hit single; THAT's when prog bands go bad. Of course, prog singles can be good - Follow You Follow Me etc, Anyone's Daughter's Viel zuviel...

Tangerine Dream: after they ditched the mellotron. Last decent album, 'Logos'

Floyd: Animals

Genesis: And Then There Were Three (some pretty tunes)

Tull: Heavy Horses (altho Bursting Out postdated it)

Machiavel: Mechanical Moonbeams

PFM: Performance

Funnily enough there were some bands who took the record company shilling and still made OK albums - AD's Neue Sterne (Brain) was one, as was Focus's unbelievably mad Focus Con Proby, and Banco's self-titled 1983 pop album was almost as good as A-ha.

30-minute epic or 3-minute single - by their progressive talent shall ye know them. Or something.

 

 
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 01:13
Originally posted by Trky_Lym Trky_Lym wrote:

 

 

As for Tangerine Dream, I'll give Poland a listen. I'm also confused about Green Desert, I know it was recorded in 1973, but it released and re-mixed in 1984, so it considered to be apart of their "pink years" or is it the "blue years" no matter what?



hey, TD chat, how nice...Tongue

Green Desert is a 1973/1986 reference. I did state, I believe, that I would rather call it a "blue years" light mode minimal charm. It would be slightly out of the experimental side of TD back in 1973. But the album was made for that year, so I'm not saying it is wrong. Just telling my preference.
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Points: 29298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 02:39
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I would say Tangerine Dream after Poland, if they actually got mentioned here. 
 
I partially agree as Poland (1984) is one of the best live albums I've ever come across.However I really like Underwater Sunlight (1986) and even Tyger (1987) has some good moments.I believe TD started to go noticeably downhill after 1987.


a rightous argument, considering the departure of Franke up in that year.

but I don't entrust Underwater Sunlight and, let's be reasonable, Tyger moderately, with quality and with the clear perspective with which the band walked under the dynamic Trio. Wink

shall we say Le Parc as a compromise between our opinions? LOL
 
Fair enough although I will still maintain that 'Song Of The Whale Pts 1 & 2' is excellent stuff....you really don't like that??!Shocked
 
Tyger has 'London' and the title track although the second half of that album is just 'treading water'.
 
Both albums have about enough material to make a very good TD album.After that the only TD track I've heard that I like is 'Three Bikes In The Sky' from Melrose.
 
Le Parc is a very good album and perhaps the last consistently good TD album.My fave track:- Yellowstone Park with Clare Tory's nice vocals.
 
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Green Desert is a 1973/1986 reference...
 
I ment to say 86, not 84 Tongue.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I would say Tangerine Dream after Poland, if they actually got mentioned here. 
 
I partially agree as Poland (1984) is one of the best live albums I've ever come across.However I really like Underwater Sunlight (1986) and even Tyger (1987) has some good moments.I believe TD started to go noticeably downhill after 1987.


a rightous argument, considering the departure of Franke up in that year.

but I don't entrust Underwater Sunlight and, let's be reasonable, Tyger moderately, with quality and with the clear perspective with which the band walked under the dynamic Trio. Wink

shall we say Le Parc as a compromise between our opinions? LOL
 
Fair enough although I will still maintain that 'Song Of The Whale Pts 1 & 2' is excellent stuff....you really don't like that??!Shocked
 
Tyger has 'London' and the title track although the second half of that album is just 'treading water'.
 
Both albums have about enough material to make a very good TD album.After that the only TD track I've heard that I like is 'Three Bikes In The Sky' from Melrose.
 
Le Parc is a very good album and perhaps the last consistently good TD album.My fave track:- Yellowstone Park with Clare Tory's nice vocals.
 


Nope, Underwater dis-satisfies me completely. The attention given the Whale epic most especially. Not bad, but far from golden attributes or enormous rewardings.

Tyger has London, but Tyger also has minimalism of consequences. So Tyger has London with minimalism of consequences.

Melrose = not my favourite, though a grower. Lily On The Beach is my favourite "optical" album.

My fave track of Le Parc: Hyde Park; deadly dark. Smile
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