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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:19
Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

If swearing onstage bothers you, don't go to a Children of Bodom concert.  I honestly am pretty sure Alexi Laiho rehearses his banter between songs in an effort to include the F word as many times as humanly possible.
 
Agreed with the last part of the first sentence, not for those reasons though. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:20
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

If swearing onstage bothers you, don't go to a Children of Bodom concert.  I honestly am pretty sure Alexi Laiho rehearses his banter between songs in an effort to include the F word as many times as humanly possible.
 
Agreed with the last part of the first sentence, not for those reasons though. Tongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:25
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

If swearing onstage bothers you, don't go to a Children of Bodom concert.  I honestly am pretty sure Alexi Laiho rehearses his banter between songs in an effort to include the F word as many times as humanly possible.
 
Agreed with the last part of the first sentence, not for those reasons though. Tongue


Oh come on, Tony can get away with namedropping Ted Nugent yet CoB are entirely out of the question?  What's this world coming to? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:37
Swearing killing songs? lol, definitely not! Listen to Zappa!
Anyway, I don't own this transatlantic CD but I can not imagine that any word can affect the atmosphere on any record..!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:59
It really depends who says it for me. Cause if...Jon Anderson comes out saying "lets all f**k tonight", well that would be just plain stupid. But when Maynard shouts "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you buddy" in Hooker with a pennis, its just orgasmic...oh sorry, f**king orgasmic
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:59
"Hey Jude" contains a profanity from John Lennon towards the end, before the "na na na" bit. He fluffs a backing vocal and shouts "f***ing hell!". You probably wouldn't notice it unless you knew it was there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:16
My thinking is that if you are going to swear, then go ahead and do it.  On "Artificial Smile" by Riverside the singer, Duda, sings "I'm only happy when they F you" (or something like that) and it just sounds ridiculous to me.  Maybe they were trying to avoid getting the parental warning sticker on the cd case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:29

When used in a justified way, swearing is acceptable.

To use it now would not be acceptable
 
What I find ignorant is the use of fancy words in order to show one's superority of intelligence - see many letters to the editor.
 
To use it to describe such a person being a pompous a**hole would be acceptable.
 
What I find offensive is inappropriate gross talk. I never understood why the need to include the lyric "snot is running down his nose" in Tull's Aqualung.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:47
Originally posted by sm sm sm sm wrote:

What I find offensive is inappropriate gross talk. I never understood why the need to include the lyric "snot is running down his nose" in Tull's Aqualung.

 
While I'm not a fan of swearing I find the imagery of Anderson's lyrics excellent, the above included.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:48
Originally posted by sm sm sm sm wrote:

 
What I find offensive is inappropriate gross talk. I never understood why the need to include the lyric "snot is running down his nose" in Tull's Aqualung.
 


Aqualung is a musical and poetic portrait of a vile, decript old man. In what way is that lyric inappropriate in such a context? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:55
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Phil Collins often swore for effect at later Genesis concerts. Nuff said


Yes, "nuff said," because Phil Collins is the end-all-be-all authority on what is right and what is wrong.  Which is precisely why we have such monumental masterpieces as Invisible Touch.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:05
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

There's a, quite frankly, beautiful moment towards the end of an Absolute Zero song (Stutter Rock, You Said - you can hear the streamed version on their PA page) where the song falls apart a bit and (probably) Pip Pyle just yells from the distance "OH... F*CK IIIIIIT!", smashes the drums and the whole band kicks back into gear for another climactic minute of noise.

Now, call me a heathen, but that track, especialy its closing moments, would be less effective without that deliciously timed piece of swearing.


I love that part! Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:07
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

There's a, quite frankly, beautiful moment towards the end of an Absolute Zero song (Stutter Rock, You Said - you can hear the streamed version on their PA page) where the song falls apart a bit and (probably) Pip Pyle just yells from the distance "OH... F*CK IIIIIIT!", smashes the drums and the whole band kicks back into gear for another climactic minute of noise.

Now, call me a heathen, but that track, especialy its closing moments, would be less effective without that deliciously timed piece of swearing.


I love that part! Clap


It's a corker, innit?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:26
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

It really depends who says it for me. Cause if...Jon Anderson comes out saying "lets all f**k tonight", well that would be just plain stupid. But when Maynard shouts "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you buddy" in Hooker with a pennis, its just orgasmic...oh sorry, f**king orgasmic


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I agree.

I couldn't care less... f**k is one of the most beautiful words in the English language if you ask me...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:30
Ansen, you're Russian, your opinion doesn't count. Wink

TP: yes, I love that album.  I'm still coming to grips with it.  Is that a tango being played on the last track?  I'm useless at working out things like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:19
The most surprising instance of the F word was during Pigs (Three Different Ones).  "You f**ked up old hag."  I remember listening to that on the radio (along with the Who's Who Are You ["Who the f**k are you?"]) and thinking, my god, did he just sing that?  Later when I bought the album, I discovered that he did.  There were some great mavericks back in '70's album-oriented rock stations.  In both those instances I believe that contextually the word fits.  But in-between songs (with the exception of the afore-mentioned Ted Nugent... the Motor City Madman has way with words... lol ... and you knew that that was part of his act) in a performance that was not necessarily promoted as "Rated M for mature" I would like the performers to show a little restraint, given there might be some young teens in the audience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:28
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I think the word used in songs is OK in the right context,for example Marillion's "She Chameleon" it is exactly the right word to use.
 

Don't forget the mythical Garden Party line.Wink

Fish also cursed a lot during the introductions and his talking to the audience between songs (he was a very explicit speaker) with Marillion (and solo as well), the most notable one usually being Fugazi where before they'd begin he'd say, "this world is f**ked up".
 
I never had any problems with Fish cursing - his monologues during the concerts were very enjoyable most of the times.
Hearing the whole audience join Fish in that Garden Party-line was interesting - it seemed like people who didn´t know any songs or lyrics at least knew that line!
Whats with the word Fugazi? Is that the F -word as used by American soldiers in Vietnam - I think´I´ve read that in some Fish interview or am I totally misinformed?Wink
 
My opinions in the question asked is that the use of swearing in songs can be totally right in the right context and if not only used for some cheap effect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:37
[QUOTE=piltdown man] ...Whats with the word Fugazi? Is that the F -word as used by American soldiers in Vietnam - I think´I´ve read that in some Fish interview or am I totally misinformed?[QUOTE]

You're informed correctly - it means the same as the last two letters of SNAFU   

I still remember the shock I got the first time I heard the Woodstock soundtrack, when Country Joe does the Fish cheer - but somehow, that's art.

Skid Row's use of the word in "Get the f**k Out" is also inspired - but somehow, W.A.S.P's "Animal, I f**k Like a Beast" seems retarted because of the use of the word.

I'd say it depends on the context - largely that between listener and artist
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:40
It's just a word. A word has no morality. It's silly to jugde something like a word.
 
Sometimes a well placed 'f**k' can be used to a wonderful effect. Take Ween for example.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:44
Let me quote Devin Townsend, on Steve Vai's album Sex & Religion, right at the end of the song Sex & Religion:

"holy sh*t. holy jesus christ, I hurt your brain, hah, great god, steve, oh
My fingers are numb, right now
Yeah, theyre numb
Can I deprive my brain of oxygen?"

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