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    Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:12

 

                       

Isn't enough?

 
In the past year and months I saw people on the general forum supporting their inclusion in this site whilst, on the other hand, a different opinion emerged from the collaborators' forum.
 
It would be interesting to understand what all members think in general.
 
Here below some positive remarks from the past discussions:
 
"They should be included more than many bands here..."
 
"Even in the eighties they kept producing "prog-related" songs with each album they made..."
 
"It's arguable they COULD be added under 'prog related'..."
 
"they have their "prog" moments! "Imaginos" is a great album..."
 
"they deserve to be on here..."
 
"Albums with prog influence..."
 
 
Just for curiosity:
 
Have you ever seen that animated movie of the 80s: Heavy Metal?

Based on the graphic magazine of the same name, this full-length animated movie runs the gamut of animation styles and futuristic alien story lines. "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is featured during a segment that might better have fit the song "Sole Survivor". BLue Oyster Cult wrote several songs based on the different stories in the movie, which are on the "Fire of Unknown Origin" album.

Heavy Metal, video release poster

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:15
What genre would they be in Andrea?
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:16
Straight up 70's hard rock imo....
 
The closer they ever get to progressive was on the Imaginos album...
 
Still, a fine band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:17
awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god when did it come out.  Strongly support their inclusion and most likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher over the last couple of months.  Definitely worthy of inclusion here.  Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god
when did it come out.  Strongly support their inclusion and most
likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher
over the last couple of months.  Definitely worthy of inclusion
here.  Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.


Again....in what genre?

They are PR at best.
    


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:28
I think prog related is the most suitable genre for BOC.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:29
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god
when did it come out.  Strongly support their inclusion and most
likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher
over the last couple of months.  Definitely worthy of inclusion
here.  Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.


Again....in what genre?

They are PR at best.
    


hahah I saw you asked Raffaella not me.. and I presume not to speak for the Queen hahaha.


since you ask though.. Prog Related.. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:03
I'm sorry, but i don't think they belong to this site; there are so many prog bands out there that aren't here yet...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:10
Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

there are so many prog bands out there that aren't here yet...


for what's it's worth Andrew.. I agree ... yet it has been made clear to the SC's that expansion of Prog Related and Proto Prog is to continue. In that BOC is a no brainer for PR.. and other.. more controvesial ones are sure to follow.  I don't agree with the decision at all.  I posted my thoughts and my reasons for disagreeing in the proper places for what good it did, now we do as we are commanded to do LOLWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:08
So far I've heard their debut aswell as Tyranny and Mutation (listening to Secret Treaties right now). I believe they deserve to be included as Prog Related based on what I've heard so far.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god
when did it come out.  Strongly support their inclusion and most
likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher
over the last couple of months.  Definitely worthy of inclusion
here.  Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.


Again....in what genre?

They are PR at best.
    


hahah I saw you asked Raffaella not me.. and I presume not to speak for the Queen hahaha.


since you ask though.. Prog Related.. Wink


Excuse me, where and when did Jody ask me? I've just seen this thread for the first time...Wink

By the way, the Queen is very glad to answer.. Of course PR, no question about that. I may be one of BOC's biggest fans here, but I'm not so blinded by my love of them to think about putting them in Art Rock or any other fully prog subgenre. I'm quite ready to add them in the next few days... If anyone (Andrea, for instance...Wink) wants to write up a bio, I'll credit them at the end of the text. Then we can share the job of adding the albums.

Ah, as regards the movie "Heavy Metal", I also saw it when it came out, over 20 years ago... it also had Black Sabbath's "The Mob Rules" in the soundtrack.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

So far I've heard their debut aswell as Tyranny and Mutation (listening to Secret Treaties right now). I believe they deserve to be included as Prog Related based on what I've heard so far.


good man.. and Secret Treaties is my current fav from them. 

here's a couple clappies for you..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:16
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

 


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Isn't enough?


 

In the past year and months I saw people on the general forum supporting their inclusion in this site whilst, on the other hand, a different opinion emerged from the collaborators' forum.

 

It would be interesting to understand what all members think in general.

 

Here below some positive remarks from the past discussions:

 

"They should be included more than many bands here..."

 

"Even in the eighties they kept producing "prog-related" songs with each album they made..."

 

"It's arguable they COULD be added under 'prog related'..."

 

"they have their "prog" moments! "Imaginos" is a great album..."

 

"they deserve to be on here..."

 

"Albums with prog influence..."

 

 

Just for curiosity:

 

Have you ever seen that animated movie of the 80s: Heavy Metal?


Based on the graphic magazine of the same name, this full-length animated movie runs the gamut of animation styles and futuristic alien story lines. "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is featured during a segment that might better have fit the song "Sole Survivor". BLue Oyster Cult wrote several songs based on the different stories in the movie, which are on the "Fire of Unknown Origin" album.


[IMG]alt="Heavy Metal, video release poster" src="http://www.nostalgia.com/posters/58675.JPG" border=1>



I haven't heard anything from them but the soundtrack you are mentioning. Soundtrack was as awful as the movie, so I say not only they should be never considered as inclusion (I don't care actually), but also every part of that movie should be removed from my memory.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:43
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



good man.. and Secret Treaties is my current fav from them. 

here's a couple clappies for you..

ClapClap



Just finished it. Great indeed! But I prefer Tyranny and Mutation. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:35
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god
when did it come out.  Strongly support their inclusion and most
likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher
over the last couple of months.  Definitely worthy of inclusion
here.  Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.


Again....in what genre?

They are PR at best.
    


hahah I saw you asked Raffaella not me.. and I presume not to speak for the Queen hahaha.


since you ask though.. Prog Related.. Wink


Excuse me, where and when did Jody ask me? I've just seen this thread for the first time...Wink

By the way, the Queen is very glad to answer.. Of course PR, no question about that. I may be one of BOC's biggest fans here, but I'm not so blinded by my love of them to think about putting them in Art Rock or any other fully prog subgenre. I'm quite ready to add them in the next few days... If anyone (Andrea, for instance...Wink) wants to write up a bio, I'll credit them at the end of the text. Then we can share the job of adding the albums.

Ah, as regards the movie "Heavy Metal", I also saw it when it came out, over 20 years ago... it also had Black Sabbath's "The Mob Rules" in the soundtrack.
 
Hi Raffaella.
 
With the help of some info sources and all the powers of synthesis, this is the bio I can recommend for this site. Feel free to edit and to add whatever is necessary.Smile
 
 
Blue Oyster Cult's history:
 

The members of the band began to come together in the late 1960s, as a band called "Soft White Underbelly", then changed into “Stalk-Forrest Group” in 1968. The name "Blue Öyster Cult" came from a 1960s poem written by manager Sandy Pearlman. It was part of his poetry, later used more extensively in their 1988 album Imaginos. In Pearlman's poetry, the "Blue Oyster Cult" was a collection of aliens who had to secretly guide Earth's history. The addition of the umlaut above the vocal “o” was suggested by either Allen Lanier or Richard Meltzer. Other bands later copied the practice of using umlauts or diacritic marks in their own band logos such as Motörhead and Queensrÿche also. It is the alchemical symbol for lead, one of the heaviest of metals. Pearlman considered this, combined with the heavy and distorted guitar sound of the band and coined the description "heavy metal" to describe Blue Öyster Cult's music.

The self-titled debut album Blue Öyster Cult was released in 1972. Its striking black&white cover featured the now famous hook & cross symbol prominently which the band adopted as their logo and one of their most famous tracks to date: “Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll”. The second record Tyranny and Mutation was built on the first album's basis moved towards harder (The Black side) and richer sounds (The Red side). After that, the band aimed to make an album with more emotional impact for their third outing. When Secret Treaties was released in 1974, it gained critical acclaim and it's still now by many considered their most “proggy” effort of the seventies with such songs as “Astronomy” and “Flaming Telepaths”.

Then came Agents of Fortune (first gold record) that contained their most famous track ever "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" which reached #12 on the US Billboard charts. For the follow-up, Spectres, the band worked to try to come up with an even better record. For a lot of hardcore fans Agents was too "soft" and Spectres was even softer! Others, though, found the diversity of songwriting on Spectres a pleasant experience. For the next album Mirrors, the majority of fans felt the record was far too pop and commercial although the record does have some songs that many fans consider great, including "The Vigil" and "The Great Sun Jester,". Than, BÖC’s decided to get back to "being BÖC" rather than trying to write with the commercial hit machine in mind and released the critically acclaimed Cultösaurus Erectus. Critics wrote that Birch (who worked also with Black Sabbath) brought out the best in the band, with clean and polished production and a certain classic as "Black Blade". Birch was again in the producer's seat for the next record, Fire of Unknown Origin. This album included the classic "Burnin’ For You”. But was only with “Veterans of the Psychic Wars” and with “Joan Crawford” that the band's proggy vein was revealed. Later, after minor success as The Revölution by Night (1983) and Club Ninja (1986) and a serie of departures (Albert and Joe Bouchard, Allen Lanier), the band reunited to complete a 20 years long coveted project titled Imaginos, possibly their most prog at all with many guest appearences. Of the many, Robby Krieger of the Doors and a certain Joe Satriani.
Their live shows were also exciting as the four live albums that grace us and, in particular, On Your Feet or on Your Knees (1975), Some Enchanted Evening (1979) and Extraterrestrial Live (1982).

In the late 1990s, BÖC are continuing to perform. Two studio albums have been released, Heaven Forbid and Curse of the Hidden Mirror (1998 and 2001), followed by another live record and DVD.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:38
I love BOC.
 
As we all know their most progressive period in the Black and White period since the three covers  from this era were indeed black and white. 
 
 
Great Band, not meant for PA though. 


Edited by Asyte2c00 - November 07 2006 at 18:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:04
Originally posted by Stefanovic Stefanovic wrote:

Straight up 70's hard rock imo....
 
 
 
Still, a fine band.
 
Agree.
 
 
 
BOC were not prog then -- they are not prog now.
 
Prog-related is the wishful "category" with no borders, it seems.Thumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:07
They have prog moments, but they are not prog. If they get added, Chicago should be added.

(Neither bands should get added, though).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2006 at 22:02
    Love BOC, prog related, favorite albums are "Secret Treaties" and "Tyranny and Mutation."

Oh, and I saw "Heavy Metal in 1981 at the drive in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2006 at 08:01
I´m all for their inclusion in Prog Related.
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