Blue Oyster Cult...the time has come?
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Topic: Blue Oyster Cult...the time has come?
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Subject: Blue Oyster Cult...the time has come?
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:12
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http://www.blueoystercult.com/Studio/1first.html"> Isn't enough? In the past year and months I saw people on the general forum supporting their inclusion in this site whilst, on the other hand, a different opinion emerged from the collaborators' forum.
It would be interesting to understand what all members think in general.
Here below some positive remarks from the past discussions:
"They should be included more than many bands here..."
"Even in the eighties they kept producing "prog-related" songs with each album they made..."
"It's arguable they COULD be added under 'prog related'..."
"they have their "prog" moments! "Imaginos" is a great album..."
"they deserve to be on here..."
"Albums with prog influence..."
Just for curiosity:
Have you ever seen that animated movie of the 80s: Heavy Metal?
Based on the graphic magazine of the same name, this full-length animated movie runs the gamut of animation styles and futuristic alien story lines. "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" is featured during a segment that might better have fit the song "Sole Survivor". BLue Oyster Cult wrote several songs based on the different stories in the movie, which are on the "Fire of Unknown Origin" album.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:15
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What genre would they be in Andrea?
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Posted By: Stefanovic
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:16
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Straight up 70's hard rock imo....
The closer they ever get to progressive was on the Imaginos album...
Still, a fine band.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 11:17
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awesome ...simply awesome... and haven't seen that movie since... god
when did it come out. Strongly support their inclusion and most
likely will be adding them after having a bit of an education/refresher
over the last couple of months. Definitely worthy of inclusion
here. Been burning up Secret Treaties recently... love that album.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:26
Again....in what genre? They are PR at best. ------------- |
micky wrote:Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:28
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I think prog related is the most suitable genre for BOC.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 12:29
hahah I saw you asked Raffaella not me.. and I presume not to speak for the Queen hahaha. since you ask though.. Prog Related..  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:03
| I'm sorry, but i don't think they belong to this site; there are so many prog bands out there that aren't here yet... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 13:10
for what's it's worth Andrew.. I agree ... yet it has been made clear to the SC's that expansion of Prog Related and Proto Prog is to continue. In that BOC is a no brainer for PR.. and other.. more controvesial ones are sure to follow. I don't agree with the decision at all. I posted my thoughts and my reasons for disagreeing in the proper places for what good it did, now we do as we are commanded to do  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:08
| So far I've heard their debut aswell as Tyranny and Mutation (listening to Secret Treaties right now). I believe they deserve to be included as Prog Related based on what I've heard so far. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15
Excuse me, where and when did Jody ask me? I've just seen this thread for the first time... By the way, the Queen is very glad to answer.. Of course PR, no question about that. I may be one of BOC's biggest fans here, but I'm not so blinded by my love of them to think about putting them in Art Rock or any other fully prog subgenre. I'm quite ready to add them in the next few days... If anyone (Andrea, for instance... ) wants to write up a bio, I'll credit them at the end of the text. Then we can share the job of adding the albums.Ah, as regards the movie "Heavy Metal", I also saw it when it came out, over 20 years ago... it also had Black Sabbath's "The Mob Rules" in the soundtrack. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:15
good man.. and Secret Treaties is my current fav from them. here's a couple clappies for you..  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:16
I haven't heard anything from them but the soundtrack you are mentioning. Soundtrack was as awful as the movie, so I say not only they should be never considered as inclusion (I don't care actually), but also every part of that movie should be removed from my memory. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
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Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 15:43
Just finished it. Great indeed! But I prefer Tyranny and Mutation.  |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:35
Hi Raffaella.
With the help of some info sources and all the powers of synthesis, this is the bio I can recommend for this site. Feel free to edit and to add whatever is necessary.
 Blue Oyster Cult's history:
The members of the band began to come together in the late 1960s, as a band called "Soft White Underbelly", then changed into “Stalk-Forrest Group” in file:///wiki/1968 - - 1968 . The name "Blue Öyster Cult" came from a 1960s poem written by manager file:///wiki/Sandy_Pearlman - - Sandy Pearlman . It was part of his poetry, later used more extensively in their 1988 album file:///wiki/Imaginos - - Imaginos . In Pearlman's poetry, the "Blue Oyster Cult" was a collection of aliens who had to secretly guide Earth's history. The addition of the file:///wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut - - umlaut above the vocal “o” was suggested by either file:///wiki/Allen_Lanier - - Allen Lanier or Richard Meltzer. Other bands later copied the practice of using umlauts or diacritic marks in their own band logos such as file:///wiki/Mot%25C3%25B6rhead - - Motörhead file:///wiki/M%25C3%25B6tley_Cr%25C3%25BCe - - and file:///wiki/Queensr%25C3%25BFche - - Queensrÿche also . It is the file:///wiki/Alchemy - - alchemical symbol for lead, one of the heaviest of metals. Pearlman considered this, combined with the heavy and distorted guitar sound of the band and coined the description "heavy metal" to describe Blue Öyster Cult's music. The self-titled debut album file:///wiki/Blue_%25C3%2596yster_Cult_%2528album%2529 - - Blue Öyster Cult was released in 1972. Its striking black&white cover featured the now famous hook & cross symbol prominently which the band adopted as their logo and one of their most famous tracks to date: “Cities on Flame With Rock and Roll”. The second record file:///wiki/Tyranny_and_Mutation - - Tyranny and Mutation was built on the first album's basis moved towards harder (The Black side) and richer sounds (The Red side). After that, the band aimed to make an album with more emotional impact for their third outing. When file:///wiki/Secret_Treaties - - Secret Treaties was released in 1974, it gained critical acclaim and it's still now by many considered their most “proggy” effort of the seventies with such songs as “Astronomy” and “Flaming Telepaths”. file:///wiki/Agents_of_Fortune - - Then came Agents of Fortune (first gold record) that contained their most famous track ever " file:///wiki/%2528Don%2527t_Fear%2529_The_Reaper - - (Don't Fear) The Reaper " which reached #12 on the US Billboard charts. For the follow-up, file:///wiki/Spectres_%2528album%2529 - - Spectres , the band worked to try to come up with an even better record. For a lot of hardcore fans Agents was too "soft" and Spectres was even softer! Others, though, found the diversity of songwriting on Spectres a pleasant experience. For the next album file:///wiki/Mirrors_%2528album%2529 - - Mirrors, the majority of fans felt the record was far too pop and commercial although the record does have some songs that many fans consider great, including "The Vigil" and "The Great Sun Jester,". Than, BÖC’s decided to get back to "being BÖC" rather than trying to write with the commercial hit machine in mind and released the critically acclaimed file:///wiki/Cult%25C3%25B6saurus_Erectus - - Cultösaurus Erectus . Critics wrote that Birch (who worked also with Black Sabbath) brought out the best in the band, with clean and polished production and a certain classic as "Black Blade". Birch was again in the producer's seat for the next record, file:///wiki/Fire_of_Unknown_Origin - - Fire of Unknown Origin . This album included the classic "Burnin’ For You”. But was only with “Veterans of the Psychic Wars” and with “Joan Crawford” that the band's proggy vein was revealed. Later, after minor success as file:///wiki/The_Rev%25C3%25B6lution_by_Night - - The Revölution by Night (1983) and file:///wiki/Club_Ninja - - Club Ninja file:///wiki/The_Rev%25C3%25B6lution_by_Night - - (1986) and a serie of departures (Albert and Joe Bouchard, Allen Lanier), the band reunited to complete a 20 years long coveted project titled Imaginos, possibly their most prog at all with many guest appearences. Of the many, Robby Krieger of the Doors and a certain Joe Satriani.
Their live shows were also exciting as the four live albums that grace us and, in particular, file:///wiki/On_Your_Feet_or_on_Your_Knees - - On Your Feet or on Your Knees (1975), file:///wiki/Some_Enchanted_Evening_%2528album%2529 - - Some Enchanted Evening (1979) and Extraterrestrial Live (1982).
In the late 1990s, BÖC are continuing to perform. Two studio albums have been released, file:///wiki/Heaven_Forbid - - Heaven Forbid and file:///wiki/Curse_of_the_Hidden_Mirror - - Curse of the Hidden Mirror (1998 and 2001), followed by another live record and DVD. |
Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 18:38
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I love BOC.
As we all know their most progressive period in the Black and White period since the three covers from this era were indeed black and white.
Great Band, not meant for PA though.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:04
Agree.
BOC were not prog then -- they are not prog now.
Prog-related is the wishful "category" with no borders, it seems.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 21:07
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They have prog moments, but they are not prog. If they get added, Chicago should be added.
(Neither bands should get added, though). ------------- 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 22:02
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Love BOC, prog related, favorite albums are "Secret Treaties" and "Tyranny and Mutation."
Oh, and I saw "Heavy Metal in 1981 at the drive in. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 08:01
| I´m all for their inclusion in Prog Related. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: November 08 2006 at 11:43
Prog Related isn't a Prog category. Band in Prog Related are not Prog bands. This is primarily why I think the category should be removed. However, as it isn't likely to get removed any time soon, we could aswell continue adding Hard Rock bands with Prog moments. Queen are already there, it would be strange not to include other bands in a similair vein. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 00:49
Agreed: that movie is weird but, at least, Fire of Unknown Origin is a great album!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 02:40
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No. BOC is a borderline case for inclusion. Not prog and barely prog-related.
We have enough trouble adding full-blown prog bands without having to suffer huge upheavals everytime a controversial group gets added >> Iron Maiden, My Dying Bride etc... Even my inclusion of Santana (undisputably prog, no matter what idiots who do not know their works have to say) caused waves. This is plainly sickening and always takes so much energy and waste of precious time
Furthermore they were vastly rejected by the collabs in a poll (check it out Andrea  ) and there are many more priorities than such prog-related-related-related-related entries as BOC ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 16 2006 at 06:14
As much as it pains me to admit it, I think Hugues is right. We have already enough trouble as things are, seen as the policy concerning the additions of prog-related bands is far from clear, without courting further controversy by adding a band like BOC. This time, I'll keep what I think about the whole issue for myself - especially as concerns the notion of what constitutes 'prog', which seems to be fluid to say the least. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:14
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Following reference to mailto:M@x - M@x by the Admin team, Blue Oyster Cult have now been approved for addtion as prog related. Work is now in hand to add them.
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:17
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!
Eagerly waiting to add albums and write reviews!
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:18
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How apropriate, i just listened to my first BOC album yesterday It was secret treaties, by the way. And it's great.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:22
If you don't mind, Andrea, I'd like to add them myself - I'll leave the albums up to you ... Expect the addition to happen in the next few days! |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:30
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Well...........................................
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:35
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If Iron Maiden can get on this site then BOC should definitely be included. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:37
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This site needs more cowbell. And regarding an earlier comment... Personally I don't see Prog Related as a "non-Prog" category; I see it as a "quasi-Prog" category. Of course what is Prog is often in the ear of the behearer. I also see it as a necessary category for a site that wants to be the biggest Prog database out there. This is more of an album oriented than band oriented site too. What if, for instance, the related category was removed and the first two Alan Parsons' albums were lost (many see them as Prog). I applaud BOC's inclusion as a cowbell-related band. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:39
| Yep, Secret Treaties is wonderful: Astronomy and Flaming Telepaths in particular are excellent examples of their proggy "tendency". |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:41
Don't worry, Raffaella, I will work on the albums' addition.
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:48
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Raf or Bob, would either of you like the massive biography that I did for them last year for a music project? It's quite long, but has all of their albums, members, and contracts included. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 12:49
I do not know a lot well the BOC. But this is my favourite live album (with "Made In Japan", "Le Orme In Concerto" "Live Evil", "On Stage", "Intermission"and "PFM Cook"): And I am for BOC inclusion in Prog Related!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:02
Any takers? ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:05
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That's a cracker of an album, Andrea! @ Chris: thank you for the offer! At the moment I have a bio ready (thanks to Andrea C... I used the one you posted here some time ago, and edited it a bit).... We can replace it with yours at a later date, or even blend the two. I should be ready with the addition by the end of today... I am so very happy!!!  *gets ready for accusations of having added BOC because they are her favourite band* |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:10
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Oh, hey as long as they're added it doesnt matter to me ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:26
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They are here! Let the flak come....
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:33
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And the next is DORO!!! I Have rediscovered this big voice and... I have found out that it is excellent to be listened! OOOOHHH but this is a Prog Site... And DORO is only a great voice, body and... woman!!! And not Prog artist!!! Change discussion...: Great addition, Raffa!!! -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:45
Whats the point?
If Max okayed it theres nothing more to say about the site going down the pan! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:48
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You said you wanted to add the albums yourself, right? ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:48
| You are perfectly right - as Bob said, M@x OK'd it. If you think the site is going down the pan because of that, I'm very sorry. Personally, I think there have been much worse additions made over the years, but then I'm biased. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:49
No, Andrea C would like to add them, at least part of them... I'll just limit myself to writing some reviews, if I have the time and inspiration. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:51
What additions are worse? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:51
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Oh alright, cool with me.
I envy the person that gets to put Club Ninja in the archives ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:52
Maiden
LedZep
Uriah Heep
need I continue? ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:54
I was asking Raf.
And why are they "Worse"? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:54
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Let's not turn this into a shooting match please.
Life's too short..
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:56
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:56
I know, but I felt obligated to answer.
And no comment on the second question, see Tony's post ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 13:58
As bad maybe....but not worse.
And this is just a discussion I thought. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 14:34
| We do appreciate that some will not be as impressed with others with BOC's admission. As they say, you can please some of the people some of the time... or something like that. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:51
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I've added "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" and "Heaven Forbid"
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:52
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I thought Andrea C. was gonna add the albums? ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 15:55
They are the only ones I have ... and I have preceded him! -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 16:00
Wanna add "Fire Of Unknown Origin" too?
I have a review for it, but I can't be bothered to add the album ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 16:06
I don't have this album and I've added only the albums that I have (for my policy). But Andrea Cortese stressed me a lot of times with the BOC. I think that it will introduce them all he, those that they are lacking. -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 17 2007 at 16:14
Alright. ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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