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ThisWas
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Topic: Why Is Prog So Hated? Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:09 |
any ideas as to the main cause of the destestment of prog?
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:10 |
It's not hated: do you hate your weird, mentally ill brother?
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ThisWas
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:11 |
idont have a mentally ill brother, i dont even have a brother, he died when he was young.
and from my experience, prog is hated, its been called pretentious overblown, boring, not fun to listen to. and i want to know why certain people think these things
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:12 |
ThisWas wrote:
idont have a mentally ill brother, i dont even have a brother, he died when he was young.and from my experience, prog is hated, its been called pretentious overblown, boring, not fun to listen to. and i want to know why certain people think these things
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Whoah, you have to have a sense of humor, man.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:13 |
Firstly, bask in prog's untoward shadow, it keeps it honest. Second, I suspect it is as secretly admired as it is 'hated'.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:13 |
It's not hated, just completely ignored. Just a lot of preconceptions abound.
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ThisWas
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:14 |
im not mad that people think these things, nor mad at your comment, how were you to know of my brother.
im just wondering what about prog, drives people away, or causes them to not enjoy it
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:15 |
Atavachron wrote:
Firstly, bask in prog's untoward shadow, it keeps it honest. Second, I suspect it is as secretly admired as it is 'hated'. |
That's a great way of putting it!
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:15 |
Because it encompasses everything good that is either inaccessible compared to contemporary pop standards or appears pretentious, too eclectic for popular scociety. A person must invest a lot of time and effort to truly appreciate the virtues of progressive musc. Proggers listen to whole albums rather than songs. Prog is both past and present. White Willow, Wobbler, Flowee kIngs to Genesis, ELP, Yes, Kansas. There is always something new to investigate. Its simply too much for people to take interest in, unless you have alot of time, an opend mind and appreciation for intriguing, captivating music.
It can overwhelming for people who have been lsitening to hook drive pop melodies for their whole life. Imagine a person who listens to the TOP 40 every week listening to "Supper's Ready" for the first time. they would get diintereested immediately becsue they either lack the patience or fail to appreciate talented muscianship.
Marillion to Mahavishnu
Mars Volta to Man
Prog has it all.
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lightbulb_son
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:32 |
I don't think prog is hated. Just for the everyday music listener, it's either too complex, or too pretentious, or "useless instrumental w**king".
It takes a certain kind of person to truly appreciate prog in my opinion. It's not for everybody.
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:54 |
Prog is not hated anymore, it was for a long time though. Just friday night I watched Muse (not fully prog but quite good) featuring as the main act on Joolz Holland's show on the BBC. I think the tide is turning, back to more sophisticated music in the popular arena. I think we will live to see a full revival of Prog quite soon!
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aspinosa
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 22:59 |
because its require patient to understand, its like classical music or jass.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:05 |
Soul Dreamer wrote:
Prog is not hated anymore, it was for a long time though. Just friday night I watched Muse (not fully prog but quite good) featuring as the main act on Joolz Holland's show on the BBC. I think the tide is turning, back to more sophisticated music in the popular arena. I think we will live to see a full revival of Prog quite soon! |
In the popular arena perhaps (gak!) but is also possible we are living in that time now, or at least in a kind of silver age of prog second only to the 70s. I think the last ten years has seen a great prog rebirth without being retro. Enjoy it now, while you can
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:11 |
Atavachron wrote:
Soul Dreamer wrote:
Prog is not hated anymore, it was for a long time though. Just friday night I watched Muse (not fully prog but quite good) featuring as the main act on Joolz Holland's show on the BBC. I think the tide is turning, back to more sophisticated music in the popular arena. I think we will live to see a full revival of Prog quite soon! |
In the popular arena perhaps (gak!) but is also possible we are living in that time now, or at least in a kind of silver age of prog second only to the 70s. I think the last ten years has seen a great prog rebirth without being retro. Enjoy it now, while you can |
I'm doing that  fully!
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:16 |
How could anyone not like prog?
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:21 |
Prog hated? by who? I think you would have to go elsewhere to find answers to this question, you won´t find any prog haters here! or am I wrong?
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:25 |
Musical complexity, song length, fusion of musical ideas - all those things and more probably. The other point is that prog in the early 70s, late 60s, was not hated but considered desirable by alot of people. Look at record sales of your fav prog albums of the period for proof of that. It was much more an organic thing, I believe, that people identified with the evolution of rock from the 60s protest movements into the 'Brave New World', so to speak of an intelligent fusion of rock and classic (The renaissance of modern music).
The punk movement in the 70s bred the greatest amount of emnity between the different rock genres because punk in its simplicity was meant to be pure anarchy and they saw prog as part of the establishment for using the ideas they did, in their music, from eras that punks despised and I think this translated, through the help of record companies and producers who operate purely for profit, into a complex division of genres that compete in the global marketplace of ideas for their share of the publics affections. Divisions have always been there and music lovers have always had their fanatical elements. I don't think it is hated so much as either; misunderstood, ignored, considered elitist or paradoxically by some fans - enjoyed just to be considered unique.
Prog doesn't get the mainstream radio play, generally because of song length and popularity so for a vast majority it is unheard of. Lets face it, there are some prog fans who would drop their fav artists if they became universally popular. They would see it as a sell out because they don't believe that the average music listener has the intelligence to understand and appreciate the type of music they listen to. That though, says more about that person than it does about the average music listener.
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Masque
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Posted: November 05 2006 at 23:51 |
prog ... well I have been asking around and most people hate it .. not sure why that is maybe its because its a little bit hard to grasp for most . anyway I don`t care I love most prog (not all) and I think most people are bumbling fools who pay good money for Paris Hilton cds
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 00:00 |
Prog is not hated... I think is ignored in a few ways:
IGNORED by people, and this because it's a difficult, elaborate style of rock... and most people when they think "rock" they think Elvis, Beatles, Stones, and stuff like that (about Beatles: they'll be thinking about the love me do beatles...)... they think something funny, something with pure kinetic energy, something SENSUAL (remember the "rock musician" figure is always a crazy, women-machine guy).... people don;t know or can't get the idea of a rock played by not-crazy musicians, with songs that maybe won;t make you dance (for sure)... with songs that have like 8 different parts instead of the usual three...with songs with solos longer than the usual same-melody-as-the-vocal-melody pop-rock solo....with songs that last sometimes up to 10 TIMES what a usual rock track lasts.... played by musicians who are not larger-than-life figures....so common people just DON't know (or if they know, they probably WON't accept) the idea of a complicated, elaborated rock....
As is ignored by regular rock fans, it will also be ignored by LABELS... I mean mainstream (Inside Out is not mainstream....Elektra, Sony, Virgin... that's MAINSTREAM)...... the time when Yes, genesis made millions is a thing of the past... so if ignored by labels, it will continue to be ignored by people...and the circle will go on and on....and also, if not commercial, radios won't play it (besides, what kind of advertising can you put on in your radio to be able to keep it on the air if you have to wait more than 10 minutes in between??)... the time when radios played Yes and Genesis is long gone...so, MTV (Mentally-challenged TeleVision) won't play it...
IGNORED by the press... by the music press, for three reasons:
a) the most educated musical press will have problems accepting the idea of a GOOD (musically speaking) rock.... most educated musicologists are trained in classcial, jazz...for most of them every style of pop music (pop as in POPular, not as in POP Madonna) is utter crap (and compared to classical, most of them are)....so they don't have in their mindset the idea of elaborated rock...and they choose to ignore it even before having a chance to know it (and again, those in the press when Yes and genesis were around are long gone)....
b) In relation to commercial values, if prog doesn't sell, if prog is not advertised, nor played in radios...the press is owned by the same people that own the giant labels... so it's just obvious that they will write about SELLABLE music, and not about some crazy music-for-music's-sake weird thing like prog....
c) The press in magazines like rolling Stone are not mostly musicologists, and they choose to dispise prog for it being "pretensious, overblown, etc"....because: 1) let's give it to them: prog is rock PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING BETTER than it originally was (rock)... and, 2) imagine comparing the latest release by Beyonce to BE by Pain of Salvation?? it would make the little poppy (poopy) thing look like ....WHAT IT IS...FACTORY MADE MUSIC (there's someone around that may like that concept...)......
So my point is, prog is not hated, just ignored....
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 00:13 |
Let me put this hopefully succinctly.
Most would vote against or for an amendment or law without ever reading what this law entails. This is the way of most things in life. People want to see things blow up in movies, and they want three minute accessible pop songs they don't have to think about. Nevermind Picasso or French Impressionism, lets just stare at a completely casual and generic painting of a tree with a shadow. Now I'm really entertained...
There's something about remaining stupid that the majority of planet Earth is habitually attracted to.
If you don't understand what I've said, god help you, son.
Edited by NotSoKoolAid - November 06 2006 at 00:14
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