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Snow Dog

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 12:52

Certif1ed wrote:

AcdcFan411 wrote:

U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc

You know, I'm very tempted to agree there...

He's doing "..." again! I had no idea it meant IMO!

Certif1ed

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 13:16

Snow Dog wrote:

Certif1ed wrote:

AcdcFan411 wrote:

U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc

You know, I'm very tempted to agree there...

He's doing "..." again! I had no idea it meant IMO!

In this case it means "but they're not prog". "..." is so versatile...

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 13:22

Certif1ed wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Certif1ed wrote:

AcdcFan411 wrote:

U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc

You know, I'm very tempted to agree there...

He's doing "..." again! I had no idea it meant IMO!

In this case it means "but they're not prog". "..." is so versatile...

Does it have to be three"..."? Does four"...." or five or more "..............." signify something different? Or are the amouint of "." dependent on ones personallity?

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Dreamer

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 13:33

well, the top 100 list was very useful for me, and I'm sure alot of new people also check it out.

I do miss the Album of the Week feature though

BaldJean

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 13:52

I like to get new suggestions what to listen to. The top 100 list doesn't provide any though.

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colin007

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 14:07

Gentle Ronnie wrote:

Is Train Of Thought or The Wall better than Io Sono Nato Libero? Definitely not.

by the same token, is Io Sono Nato Libero better than Train of Thought or The Wall? Definitely not.

no artist is better than any other. its just a matter of who you like more. Amon Duul 2 is no better than Britney Spears...

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 14:42

Here's a tip to see more than just the top 100.

Once you've clicked on the link which says show top 100 (after the 50th entry), the URL in the address line will look like this:

http://www.progarchives.com/?MostPopular=100

Change the number 100 in the URL to say 200, and hey presto you'll get the top 200. Big smile

Miaugion

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 14:45

... or the amazing top 7500.

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mickstafa

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 14:46

BaldJean wrote:

I like to get new suggestions what to listen to. The top 100 list doesn't provide any though.

Read the other reviews featured on the main page. I rarely know all the cds that are listed by reviewers. Plus, you get a review rather than a mere ranking number.

dalt99

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 15:20

mickstafa wrote:

BaldJean wrote:

I like to get new suggestions what to listen to. The top 100 list doesn't provide any though.

Read the other reviews featured on the main page. I rarely know all the cds that are listed by reviewers. Plus, you get a review rather than a mere ranking number.

Also there are TONS of threads asking who people think are the more underrated bands or less heard of bands that you can read. Since you like Krautrock, click on the Krautrock link within this site and read the bios on all the bands listed there you haven't heard. If you have heard of them all then do the same for any other genre you like. I don't think I have ever used a Top 100 type of list to find new albums since I have usually heard of all the bands on those lists. Most of the lesser known bands I have found I had to do some research. Check out their websites and listen to their samples.

gdub411

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 15:44

omri wrote:

gdub 411 wrote :

Okay...you kiddies need another lesson. The Top 100 list is based on number of reviews that were given to that band....nothing else....take Piper At the Gates of Dawn(rated at 31) has a 3.99 rating whereas In the Land of Grey and Pink(rated at 50) has a 4.61...

ALL THE LIST IS IS THE 100 ALBUMS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED THE MOST!

End of lesson.

O.K. father,

Here is your lesson : the mechanism is to time the average rate by the number of reviews. So if 297 rated DT's Train of thought and it's average rate is 3.2 than the result will be approx' 1000. This will put it in a very good place in the list. On the other hand Talk talk's "Spirit of eden" that it's average is 4.82 but only reviewed by 11 people will get the result of 53.02 and therefor will not be on the top 100 list.

End of lesson, start of discussion :

A month ago, after understanding that mechanism I wrote a thread that suggested a diferent list of the highly rated albums (by lets say 10 reviews or more). This kind of list will be much more diverse and more representative cause to be on that one you only need few that will review the album but all of them should love the album. I also think that kind of a list will be a better tool to find some beatiful music you (and I) do'nt know yet.

P.S. calling every one else kiddies and then be wrong in understanding ....... well, maybe you be a beat more polite next time !

Polite!?!....Ha!!...Bugger off kiddo!!

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 15:54

I had a look at the so-called top 100, and now, after having seen them, I think it is a totally unnecessary list. It does not supply you with any interesting information, because anyone who is into prog will most probably know the bands named there.

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gdub411

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:12

BaldFriede wrote:

I had a look at the so-called top 100, and now, after having seen them, I think it is a totally unnecessary list. It does not supply you with any interesting information, because anyone who is into prog will most probably know the bands named there.

BaldFred is absolutely correct.

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:15

In theory you'd think it would stop all those newbie threads like "Hi, I'm new to Prog - what would you recommend", as there is 100 great albums to choose from.

I think it's interesting to see what's popular - then you can go check it out and see if you agree or not and discuss it here in the forum. I doubt that everyone who posts here has the entire top 100 in their collection, and it's worth discussing the well-known just as much as the obscure recordings, IMO

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:19

I can't argue with most of the albums in the top 100 - You have the cream of progressive rock and that cream is represented by Yes, Genesis, Camel, Rush, ELP, Pink floyd, Dream Theater, King Crimson......

No arguments from me here - And Tony R's assertion that CTTE is a series of pop songs stitched together - Thats a throw-away line designed to get a reaction....

CTTE is about as far from pop as you can get - My WIFE hates the guitar intro possibly more than any other music i've played......

gdub411

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:19

^..I certainly haven't heard all the top 100...there's even a few bands that I haven't even heard yet.

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:25

gdub411 wrote:

BaldFred is absolutely correct.

Wow. I disagree. I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about prog before I found this website. The top 100 really opened my eyes to a lot of albums that I'd never heard of, or heard of but never knew a thing about.

I found it very useful, and still do. I'd like at some point to hear them all.

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BaldFriede View Drop Down

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:27

I tend to to have a dfferent opinion. It is mostly a list of the albums that had the biggest commercial success, which does not say anything about their quality or importance. You might as well draw similar inferences from the current pop charts. Charts of whatever kind, and I mean whatever, are not a reflection of quality.

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:28

I like the top 100, but it suprises me that most of the albums are more than 20 years old. Besides Dream Theater prog is apparently old.

I like music from the '70, but there must be some new albums from new talent suitable for the top 100. It is a bit like Bohemian Rapsody from Queen. That song will never be replaced on the overall top 100. People would get confused if Pink Floyd or Yes are not in the top 3.

But hey, are we just people?

omri

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Posted: June 02 2005 at 16:32

gdub411 wrote :

Polite!?!....Ha!!...Bugger off kiddo!!

I'm 41 years old grampa ! are you older than that ?

There are things you learn when you get old and wise. And you did get it wrong, remember ?

omri