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krauthead 
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 Posted: June 01 2005 at 20:55 |
 BaldJean wrote:
Nice to see someone knows Guru Guru and Embryo. And Captain Beyond too. |
Yeah 
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*Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond
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Poxx
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Posted: June 01 2005 at 20:59 |
AcdcFan411 wrote:
 U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc
Top Ten Ac/Dc cds
1Jailbreak
2Razors edge
3 DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheap
4 ACDC Live
5 Let There Be Rock
6 Stiff upper lip
7 Sattilite blues
8 High Voltage
9 Back In Black
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Haha.
1. This thread is about the top 100 prog album list featured on this site, not the "post your top 10 albums by AC/DC".
2. AC/DC suck.
3. It's "'74 Jailbreak". This is important, for the sake of not confusing it with Thin Lizzy's 'Jailbreak', which is actually a decent hard rock record.
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krauthead
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Posted: June 01 2005 at 21:02 |
Poxx wrote:
AcdcFan411 wrote:
U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc
Top Ten Ac/Dc cds
1Jailbreak
2Razors edge
3 DirtyDeedsDoneDirtCheap
4 ACDC Live
5 Let There Be Rock
6 Stiff upper lip
7 Sattilite blues
8 High Voltage
9 Back In Black
10 Powerage |
Haha.
1. This thread is about the top 100 prog album list featured on this site, not the "post your top 10 albums by AC/DC".
2. AC/DC suck.
3. It's "'74 Jailbreak". This is important, for the sake of not confusing it with Thin Lizzy's 'Jailbreak', which is actually a decent hard rock record.
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LOL!
Nice to see that some in here don't need a hearing aid 
Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak is a good rocker imo and it's beat all ACDC anyday 
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*Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond
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krauthead
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Posted: June 01 2005 at 21:21 |
My last post on this topic i hope
The most of the top 100 list is very great albums and I have the most of them (the ones i like) and I have many other albums so I don't think more than 3-5 on that list will end up on my own top 100 list of progressive rock albums though the ones on the list here are the classics of the genre.
It's all about the taste, I dislike Neo Prog and Prog Metal though I can see why others love it... it's all about the taste
Peace, Love & Understanding 
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*Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond
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bluetailfly
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Posted: June 01 2005 at 22:14 |
Poxx wrote:
These band defined the genre.. blah blah they are the best of the genre blah blah ELP are good... blah blah.
Hogwash.
The reason for the top 100 consisting of albums from a select few bands, is simple. People don't know that many albums, nor have they listened to enough albums to review albums relatively relatively. Relativity is the key when making a top 100. You don't have to know all albums in prog-rock to know that 'The Snow Goose' is a masterpiece, but you have to know a great deal when composing a top 100.
Conclusion: The top 100 list doesn't represent the top 100 albums of the genre, but are based on this site's reviewer's rating, and amount of ratings.
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Who said it represnted the top 100 in the genre? Who is suffering that delusion? Nobody. But the list is a pretty good indication of what are the best albums in the genre based on a large group of serious fans who vote by rating them. To me, that's a pretty darn good system, and it produces valuable information, imo.
Collectively, we know a lot of albums. Just because BSS is #23 (or whatever) doesn't mean it's worse than Red, but it means that it's probably a pretty damn good album. The fact that it's in the top 100 means its a pretty damn good album.
And ELP are good (no blah blah necessary). So you just...you know... don't go around badmouthing them, mister!
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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DallasBryan
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 02:58 |
my top 100 is a much better yardstick, excuse me!
I think we are waking up to the fact that the US had
the best guitarists, the Germans had the best
keyboardist and the English created the best lyrics!
Slowly we are maturing to see that the world's
musicians are not braindead outside of the US and
UK. But that the US and UK listeners are deaf to the
WORLD! Takes time but once you break the media
barrier you will find a new world!
Bald angels, cast out to hell.
Bald angels, how deep we fell!
Bald angels, oh what a fall!
Bald angels, love conquers all.
BaldJean I am able to come to your defense,
krauthead we have worked long for your presence!
Dont be dismayed by the agressive english
banishment, this forum is opening up to ALL!
Edited by DallasBryan
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Cluster One
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 03:17 |
The best thing about this site is that you are allowed to make your own
'Top 100' should you so desire. You choose which 100 albums you like,
and then go out and buy/download them...
The Top 100 List is merely a tool, for the 'newer' and 'older' fan
alike. To give them an idea on what is typically popular in the genre,
and where to start next in terms of investigating new (old?) music...
There are over 7500+ albums listed on this site, and growing daily. Hugues Chantraine comes closest  but for someone to
have actually listened to ALL these albums, and then objectively
categorized and properly ranked them from 'best to worst' (which is
always subjective) is ultimately impossible.
Don't criticize, use the list as a tool, not as doctrine. Or better
yet, get off yer rusty dusty and review some albums yourself and help
contribute to the database/listings.
IMHO the list has been tweaked and experimented with much in the past,
and I quite appreciate the end result / current method of determing a
(notice I said A and not THE) Top 100. Except for the presence of all those DT albums, of course
Edited by Cluster One
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 06:26 |
Some argued the top 100 list was "helpful". Somehow I fail to see how it is helpful when it only consists of stuff everyone already knows by heart.
Here is my own personal top 50, in arbitrary order; the one that is listed first is not necessarily my ultra-favorite. Also be aware that these top 50 could be a completely different list on another day. And I will only allow myself 1 album per artist only.
1. Clearlight - Symphony
2. Gong - You
3. Magma - Live
4. Henry Cow - Western Culture
5. Van der Graaf Generator - Vital
6. Guru Guru - Känguru
7. Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn
8. Soft Machine - Third
9. Roman Bunka Band - Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto
10. Froese, Edgar - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
11. Klaus Schulze - Timedance
12. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (surprise, surprise )
13. Embryo - Embryo's Reise
14. Matching Mole - Little Red Record
15. 801 - Live
16. Gentle Giant - Octopus
17. Gryphon - Red Queen To Gryphon Three
18. Kraan - Live
19. Hammill, Peter - The Fall Of The House Of Usher
20. Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri
21. Blegvad, Peter and Greaves, John - Kew / Rhone
22. King Crimson - Lizard
23. Art Bears - Winter Songs
24. Amon Düül 2 - Tanz der Lemminge
25. Aera - Live
26. Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow
27. High Tide - Sea Shanties
28. Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
29. Can - Tago Mago
30. Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond
31. Dzyan - Electric Silence
32. Catapilla - Catapilla
33. Faust - Faust
34. Hillage, Steve - Live Herald
35. Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time
36. Annexus Quam - Osmose
37. Yatha Sidra- A Meditation Mass
38. Hoelderlin - Of Clowns and Clouds
39. Hatfield and the North - Hatfield and the North
40. Mother Gong - Fairy Tales
41. Schnitzler, Conrad - Con
42. Schoener, Eberhard - Bali Agung
43. Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
44. Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy
45. Focus - Moving Waves
46. Fripp, Robert - Exposure (I prefer the vinyl version, it has a better version of "Disengaged"
47. Eno, Brian - Another Green World
48. Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors
49. Khan - Space Shanties
50. Azachel - Arzachel
As I said, on another day it might be a completely different list. The absence of bands like Camel, Kansas, Dream Theater or any Neo-Prog has some significance though; just not my cup of tea.
I just noticed I forgot an all time favorite, which should definitely be listed in the prog database:
51. Nik Turner's Sphynx - Xitintoday
It features Nik Turner, Steve Hillage, Mike Howlett, Miquette Giraudy, Tim Blake, Alan Powell, Morris Pert (among others). Highly recommended!!!
Edited by BaldJean
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Miaugion
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 07:16 |
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I don't know if it's technically possible but here's an idea:
The site's administrators could add a "Special Recommendation"-option to the regular rating buttons (1 - 5 stars). This "SR"-option should be used when you, the reviewer, think an album by a relatively unknown band or artist should appear in the headlight of the public's eye. This could lead to a second top-list, e.g. an "independent top 30 list" featuring albums ignored by most.
Example:
Artist: John Arch.
Album: "A Twist of Fate"
Personal rating: **** (4 stars)
Special Recommendation yes/no: Yes.
Just an idea. I think this could be interesting.
Edited by Miaugion
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You house proud town mouse
ha ha, charade you are
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lynton samuel
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 07:45 |
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I took i brief look at the list, and noticed that Porcupine Tree's latest, Deadwing, is on 51st place.
Seriously, I love PT, but Deadwing does not belong in top 100. All their previous albums are better.
As mentioned before in this thread, the list contains the albums that are reviewed the most times, therefore they are probably the most popular ones, not the best.
This proves my point. Deadwing is PT's most accessible album yet, hence the 51st place.
It's not because it's their best.
I think this is applies to many of the albums in the top 100 list.
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krauthead
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 08:55 |
BaldJean wrote:
1. Clearlight - Symphony
2. Gong - You
3. Magma - Live
4. Henry Cow - Western Culture
5. Van der Graaf Generator - Vital
6. Guru Guru - Känguru
7. Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn
8. Soft Machine - Third
9. Roman Bunka Band - Dein Kopf ist ein schlafendes Auto
10. Froese, Edgar - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale
11. Klaus Schulze - Timedance
12. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (surprise, surprise )
13. Embryo - Embryo's Reise
14. Matching Mole - Little Red Record
15. 801 - Live
16. Gentle Giant - Octopus
17. Gryphon - Red Queen To Gryphon Three
18. Kraan - Live
19. Hammill, Peter - The Fall Of The House Of Usher
20. Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri
21. Blegvad, Peter and Greaves, John - Kew / Rhone
22. King Crimson - Lizard
23. Art Bears - Winter Songs
24. Amon Düül 2 - Tanz der Lemminge
25. Aera - Live
26. Jon Anderson - Olias of Sunhillow
27. High Tide - Sea Shanties
28. Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
29. Can - Tago Mago
30. Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond
31. Dzyan - Electric Silence
32. Catapilla - Catapilla
33. Faust - Faust
34. Hillage, Steve - Live Herald
35. Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time
36. Annexus Quam - Osmose
37. Yatha Sidra- A Meditation Mass
38. Hoelderlin - Of Clowns and Clouds
39. Hatfield and the North - Hatfield and the North
40. Mother Gong - Fairy Tales
41. Schnitzler, Conrad - Con
42. Schoener, Eberhard - Bali Agung
43. Popol Vuh - In den Gärten Pharaos
44. Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy
45. Focus - Moving Waves
46. Fripp, Robert - Exposure (I prefer the vinyl version, it has a better version of "Disengaged"
47. Eno, Brian - Another Green World
48. Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors
49. Khan - Space Shanties
50. Azachel - Arzachel
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Cool list BaldJean
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*Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 09:14 |
This topic sucks. It's as if I complained why 50 Cent has more fans than Gentle Giant.
Obviously, the top 100 is a list of albums that are more popular. Is Train Of Thought or The Wall better than Io Sono Nato Libero? Definitely not.
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mickstafa
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 09:26 |
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Yeah, this topic used to be interesting, now its just bitter people mad
that their more "obscure" cds aren't in a top 100 list. I think I
speak for many for saying if it weren't for the "big guys," I wouldn't
be into this genre. I only know the more obscure stuff because of
my interest for more prog.
But once again, we've come to a thread that is about people posting
personal opinions as if they are fact. More well-known albums
will get more reviews and if those albums are good, then they will get
on this list. That's the bottom line. Its no conspiracy or
anything like that.
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lynton samuel
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 09:41 |
mickstafa wrote:
But once again, we've come to a thread that is about people posting
personal opinions as if they are fact. More well-known albums
will get more reviews and if those albums are good, then they will get
on this list. That's the bottom line. Its no conspiracy or
anything like that.
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that's the bottom line? is that a fact?
i mostly agree with you.
but you can't accuse people for posting personal opinions as facts, and then end your post with "that's the bottom line".
hypocrisy!!!
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 09:52 |
mickstafa wrote:
Yeah, this topic used to be interesting, now its just bitter people mad that their more "obscure" cds aren't in a top 100 list. I think I speak for many for saying if it weren't for the "big guys," I wouldn't be into this genre. I only know the more obscure stuff because of my interest for more prog.
But once again, we've come to a thread that is about people posting personal opinions as if they are fact. More well-known albums will get more reviews and if those albums are good, then they will get on this list. That's the bottom line. Its no conspiracy or anything like that.
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I'm neither mad nor bitter that my "obscure" CDs aren't in the top 100. My only aim is to expand the spectrum of music of those who listen to the big guns only. In the forest of prog the prettiest flowers grow further in the wilderness; the ones who stay close to the main path through it will never see them. There are some beautiful mushrooms too, but many will take them for toadstools and don't dare to pick them. Some of these toadstools only need to be "cooked" though (listened to closely repeatedly) to become edible and very delicious.
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 10:12 |
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The-Bullet
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 10:18 |
OK Cert I've just done a google search on "..." and can't find any reference to mickey taking or opinion stating...
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Tony R
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 10:18 |
I can see this year's intake are going to be hard work,Professor Cert !
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omri
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 10:25 |
gdub 411 wrote :
Okay...you kiddies need another lesson. The Top 100 list is based on number of reviews that were given to that band....nothing else....take Piper At the Gates of Dawn(rated at 31) has a 3.99 rating whereas In the Land of Grey and Pink(rated at 50) has a 4.61...
ALL THE LIST IS IS THE 100 ALBUMS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED THE MOST!
End of lesson.
O.K. father,
Here is your lesson : the mechanism is to time the average rate by the number of reviews. So if 297 rated DT's Train of thought and it's average rate is 3.2 than the result will be approx' 1000. This will put it in a very good place in the list. On the other hand Talk talk's "Spirit of eden" that it's average is 4.82 but only reviewed by 11 people will get the result of 53.02 and therefor will not be on the top 100 list.
End of lesson, start of discussion :
A month ago, after understanding that mechanism I wrote a thread that suggested a diferent list of the highly rated albums (by lets say 10 reviews or more). This kind of list will be much more diverse and more representative cause to be on that one you only need few that will review the album but all of them should love the album. I also think that kind of a list will be a better tool to find some beatiful music you (and I) do'nt know yet.
P.S. calling every one else kiddies and then be wrong in understanding ....... well, maybe you be a beat more polite next time !
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omri
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 12:43 |
AcdcFan411 wrote:
U guys dont know the meaning of a great band, the best band is ac dc
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You know, I'm very tempted to agree there...
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