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Maga 
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Joined: December 18 2005 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 34 |
 Posted: October 20 2006 at 12:19 |
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aww..I got all excited....no hackett no gabriel= no prog...
me likes prog end of story peace |
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"be honest and unmerciful"
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: October 20 2006 at 13:08 |
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Fletch wrote:
That's our main reason to be here Fletch, we might disagree in some things and I'm usually on the side of Genesis because as you can see in my signature is what we we call my head band, but I can't resist the 3 men music era.
Most of this doubvious and contradictory information has to be blamed to Genesis official site that are the ones who should care to correct it despite, but it's clear they supported the 3 - men era more than the others and that's the reason why I stopped to be fraquent poster since two years ago despite being a Gensis fan.
I'm almost sure I read the Hackett in the audience thing in The Genesis Official Forum and it was not corrected but instead allowed to run freely by the Moderators who are better informed than us because in my case due to my country and age wasn't able to have the priviledge to be there despite as you can see I try to keep informed in everything related to Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, but we shouyld be allowed to trust supposedly official information.
That Forum is not working lately (Or maybe they banned me for total my dislike to Pop Genesis that never cared to hide) but eaqually is useless because they delete the threads after a certein period of time.
For me Genesis died the day Steve left, Gabriel era is my favorite but ATOTT and W&W are masterpieces also, so it's not a Collins problem, they were able to survive Gabriel because Steve was there but without him well, IMHO Genesis couldn't take that.
John Obvious wrote:
Not such an effort, I havethe advantageto have a very good memory, I bookmarked or copied every piece of information avillable of Hackett, Gabriel, Phillips and Genesis mainly but pages vanish, some sites clean their old stuff after a certain time RIAA changes their info and the links don't work or even sometimes I simply read something and didn't marked, plus finding it is not easy among loads of GB's.
When doing the Symphonic Team works, I save every single PM and article I find (A healthy decision you learn when you work as a lawyer because I like to have arguments to backup what I say), but the more info ouget, the harder it is to find it, takes some time but at last it's possible except when sites dissapear.
Now to the point. after a couple of years of Collins saying he didn't wanted to sing and swearing he wanted Peter to be the frontman, I honestly believed it could have Peter, sincerely I doubted more of Steve but had the illusion that if he didn't accepted Anthony could have been called or in the best scenario both of them.
Believe me, economically the Prog fans are the ones who are really going to support Genesis, POP is FASHION, Genesis (3, 4 opr 5 men eras) is not fashion anymore, you are not cool if going to their concerts.
We Progheads don't care, some as in my case would take a plane to listen them one night in USA from Perú (England or Europe would be too expensive for me) to see them with Peter and/or Steve because I love, live and breath Prog, so most people here, most POP fans won'tcross the state line to see them singing Illegal Alien and Who Dunitt? IMO.
You have seen the numbers of AMAZON that represents 1.25% of the total albums sells in the world, no POP Genesis album except maybe "Shapes" (A solitary one in N° 7 after every Prog album except SEBTP and W&W, even after Genesis Live if I'm not wrong), has a chance against the old material during Amazon lifetime, I believe it's almost a suicide making a 3 men reunion.
The mainstream audience of today is not the same one as in the 90's and less than in the 80's, Rap and Hip Hop have taken the market by assault and POP artists have to be young and look nice, the adult contemporary formula is somethiing of the past as POP Genesis.
John Obvious wrote:
That's another conflictive issue, I almost fell in depression when upgraded all my Genesis collection, knowing that there would be nothing new unless a miracle happened, seems Hit & Run music is not interested in publishing (Or simply lack of it) a DVD Gabriel & Hackett footage, so we have to live with the availlable material that is rare and poor in quality or in Peter and Steve DVD's.
But are they able to make the music or something remotely similar to what we loved?
In the early 70's there was a main writter (Banks) and lyricist (Gebriel) all contributed in different percentages but everybody knew what their role was.
Today the band could have 5 songwritters:
1.- Gabriel with his excellent World oriented artistic music.
2.- Steve with the Classic Prog and Classical guitar style
3.- Banks has a lot more than he does alone
4.- Pop fans will insist for some 3-men POP
5.- Mike also would like to write something
There are 5 different perspectives today, they haven't worked together for 3 decades, their paths are opposite, nobody knows if it would be a coherent work (Harder today) or an excellent collage of styles, it's a risk but with their combined talent they have still a couple of good albums under their arms, the million dollars question is: Would this be enough for people who has dreamed with this 3 decades?
I believe a farewell worldwide tour would be a good option with the classic lineup but would we be before another UNION?
A five men era tour would be my dream but very hard because Peter and Steve have obligations (Apparently to what I read somewhere until 2008) so to coordinate efforts is not easy, a four men era work would also be great but not easier because Hackett and Banks would have to work together and specially Steve has an own career to take care of but he is the only one really working with Genesis music lately.
I couldn't care less for another three era reunion, never did and never will, I believe it's not the best economic option neither artistic but seems that's what will happen.
Sometimes it's better to leave things to imagination, but I still dream in watching the 5 great together and even better if the big 6 combining Steve and Ant's guitar, something that would be incredible.
Iván
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infandous
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Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
Posted: October 20 2006 at 14:49 |
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For what it's worth, here is the RIAA top selling albums of all time. You will notice there is no Genesis......but Phil gets in there with one album. And Pink Floyd is well represented. But really, Eagles Greatest Hits??????? What a pathetic sign of peoples musical interest.
The Recording Industry Association of America's Top-Selling Albums of All Time*29 Million
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threefates
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 15:30 |
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The Eagles Greatest Hits isn't all that bad... :) Anyway.. I agree with everyone else. No Gabriel or Hackett, not even Anthony Phillips..... I'm not interested. I'd rather see Phil Collins revive Brand X... now that I would go see!
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Frasse
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 17:36 |
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Excuse me for being rude and ask, but what has this got to do with anything on this thread?
According to another list at RIAA, Genesis have sold around 20 millions albums in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if they have sold 130 milllions worldwide. It's probably the pop-albums which have sold most though.
BTW: It's up on their official site now: They will reveal their plans for 2007 on tuesday.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:01 |
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Even when insufficient because RIAA has no interest in proving the long term selling artists but mostly which album are sales record (Their ideal is an artist that sells a lot in a short term of time (Cheaper), disappear fast and leave the road ready for new disposable artists of bands. I will mark the albums I know in different colors: 1. Classic Rock or Serious bands. 2. Prog Rock 3. Serious Pop bands/Alternative 4. Cheesy POP 5. Rap/Hip Hop/ Others So we can see which public tends to be more loyal at least in the USA market which sadly is one of the less demanding, will omit Country/Folk because that’s almost exclusively USA material. Infandious wrote:
Lets see: 1. 42 Classic Rock/Serious Bands that can be considered Rock related 4 in the top 10 2. 25 Cheesy Pop, one in the top 10 3. 2 Prog, 1 in the top 10 4. 9 Serious POP, 2 in the top 10 5. 2 Country related in the top 10 6. Rap and Hip Hop are almost not represented It’s important to notice that most of the Serious POP, Rock and all Prog are 20 years or older, so they represent a stable line of sales. · So the tendency remains, cheesy POP artists or Rappers sell a lot in a short term. · The most repeated names are: o The Beatles 5 o Led Zeppelin 5 times o Eagles 3 times o Def Leppard 2 o Pink Floyd 2 o If I’m not wrong the only Cheesy POP artist repeated are Madonna, Britney, Whitney Houston and Celine, not even Michael Jackson has two albums. So it’s clear, even in a POP oriented market like USA Classic Rock and Serious bands fans tend to be much more faithful, I’m sure tat in England and all Europe the tendency would be bigger against POP fans because bands as QUEEN and THE WHO are absolutely ignored by RIAA, even though they are not as popular in USA, it’s possible there’s some manipulation here. The motto of RIAA is sell fast and vanish to leave the road clean.. Iván |
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Gianthogweed
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Joined: August 22 2005 Status: Offline Points: 224 |
Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:05 |
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I frequent the Genesis boards (before they crashed), and the news fo a tour is not official. This is what we know:
The five of them had a meeting late last year to discuss a possible reunion to play "The Lamb" show at a few venues with the intent of recording a DVD. This is why The Musical Box's license to play "The Lamb" was revoked, because the real band was planning to do it. They still have the rights to play the "Foxtrot" and "Selling England" shows though.
At the meeting, it was decided that they would not reunite in 2006, but possibly in 2007 or 2008 for a 40th Anniversary.
Just last week, the trio lineup got together to rehearse some material. There are rumors that this material is new material, but no one knows for sure. As of yet, there are still no plans for a tour.
Collins has stated that he does not want to tour, and only wants to play select cities in a limited tour, so the idea of a tour being official is unlikely.
Steve Hackett is interested in being involved in any reunion planned. As of yet, he has not been invited. This is unfortunate, but they may wind up inviting him in the end.
Peter Gabriel has said that he wishes to finish his own album I/O, so he will not be involved in a Genesis reunion any time soon, however, he also said that he hasn't ruled out joining them at a later date.
This is really all we know. There is no tour planned, nothing official has been announced. The trio lineup is rehearsing, but they still haven't decided if they're going to do anything yet. They are also considering reuniting not under the name Genesis, but as Collins, Ruther & Banks, or something to that effect.
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: October 20 2006 at 19:41 |
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Hey,if it is on the BBC its official enough as far as I am concerned...
Oh and a BIG thank you to "Fletch" for a myth-shattering anecdote from days of yore... 
Edited by Tony R - October 20 2006 at 19:46 |
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Prog-jester
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Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5908 |
Posted: October 21 2006 at 05:32 |
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I'm with Ivan here.3 of them = not interesting
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 06:35 |
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AcostaFulano
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Joined: June 16 2005 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 189 |
Posted: October 21 2006 at 09:26 |
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LoL if they were three and they came to my country, i would pay no more than 50 bucks, at least to see the musicians who once made such beatiful music, of course i would take my Ipod, turn foxtrot on and imagine they're playing it instead of WHO DUNNIT? XD
btw, you probably already did, but have you guys checked out this genesis torrent webpage? I found some interesting stuff like the full 1982 reunion concert :O http://torrent.genesis-movement.org/ |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 09:49 |
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I think it depends on whom they get to perform with them. If it's someone like Mike Keneally, then I would be interested very much.  Come on guys (Genesis) ... if Guns 'n Roses can tour with Bumblefoot as their guitarist, then you can tour with Keneally!  |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 10:14 |
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The problem I see is not only a musician thing, but the pieces of information that appear are anticlimatic:
At least in my case, not very insipring. Hope I'm wrong and the delay is because they are already coordinating with Steve and Peter and I'm able to watch the classic 5 or even better 6 with Anthony for the first time in my life, but honestly I see the trio plus Chester and Daryll playing in small venues.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 21 2006 at 10:20 |
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Passionist
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 11:29 |
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How does this sound like to me?
/me starts saving money for a ticket to England Since it seems this'll be great, whenever they come, they surely won't come to Finland, And I so want to see them. Gabriel and Hackett are artists I would go see if they came here solo. Should they be together, or as 5, I so would go abroad. No question about it. Hm, as I have read all these posts here, I'm beginningto believe that at least Gabriel is in and Hackett keen on it. In fact, if I remember, it was him in the first place who had written the first speculations to the genesis website. I doubt there'll be any problems there if he is willing to join. |
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Prog-man
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 21:08 |
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 EAGLES IS NOT PROG, BUT IT' S REALLY A GREAT BAND!!!... |
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Arriving somewhere but not here
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Passionist
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 08:54 |
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and for this you really had to quote the whole post? Not trying to act as a moderator here, but it really makes reasing this thread frustrating when people do that:P
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Tony R
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 12:24 |
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It's that bit at the end..
Point taken though. Sometimes it is better to use this: ^ than quote the whole post. Back on topic....I wonder why they refuse to invite Hackett....? |
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rushaholic
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 17:26 |
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another update from http://www.dprp.net/news/index.php
GENESIS: AND THEN THERE WERE THREE! Again!
Speculation has been rife for years about a Reunion tour but at last
it's looking more solid. On November 7th Genesis will hold a
press-conference where all plans for a 2007 Turn It On Again tour will
be unveiled.
Not much information is provided on the Official Genesis website iteself: An official announcement about the band's plans
for 2007 will be made on Tuesday, 7th November. Full details will be
made available FIRST on this site at a time to be confirmed. But elsewhere news and rumours are buzzing like never before.
The BBC, the first to report about the reunion plans on Wednesday (read
article here)
were also the first to come with news from Peter Gabriel that he would
not take part of this reunion, without ruling out joining his former
bandmates at a later stage:
No further information will be supplied until that date and we respectfully ask that people desist from sending emails, letters and making phone calls for advance information - this will NOT be provided until the official date. Thank you for your patience until then.
"There were conversations and I decided not to be a part of it," Gabriel told BBC News.
The full story can be read here.
His replacement, former drummer Phil Collins, has confirmed he will take part in the reunion tour, which was announced earlier this week. "I'm very happy for them," said Gabriel. "It's not that I've ruled it out, but I've got some new material that I'll be working on." Furthermore, Gabriel elaborated in a video message on his website: "I'm
not involved in this round, or this year, so (I) just wanted to make
that clear. I haven't ruled out the possibility of, of doing something
in the future, but right now I'm gonna focus on, on my own work."
Looking at above tour flyer it seems unlikely that Steve Hackett will be participating in the reunion tour either, although the Genesis Reunion
website does claim the reunion tour will feature a fourth member,
either Gabriel or Hackett. However, there is no source or anything
quoted, so we feel it is more likely the fourth member will be Chester
Thompson or Daryl Stuermer. Whatever the outcome of the press conference on November 7, DPRP will be sure to give you a full run-down of the tour plans in the update of week 46. In the meantime keep an eye on our forum, where such news is likely to pop up first.  JON ANDERSON: The following has been posted on the following website:
After more than 20 years of anticipation from fans around the world, Jon Anderson's renowned album, Animation, is officially available on CD.
So at long last Jon Anderson fans can now add "Animation" to their CD
library. Best of all, act today and you can order an autographed copy
personally signed by Jon. Only 500 autographed copies are available, so
don't delay.
Originally released in mid-1983, Animation boasts some of Jon's most stunning and hauntingly beautiful solo works, including Olympia, Animation, Surrender, and All in a Matter of Time. In addition to the original nine Animation tracks, this re-issue contains two bonus tracks: Spider, which was the B-side of the original Surrender single; and the never-before-released track, The Spell, which was an outtake from the Animation recording sessions. All of Animation's music has been meticulously re-mastered and has never sounded more vibrant, full of energy, alive, or fresh. Also included as part of this very special re-issue are the complete lyrics to the nine original Animation tracks, as well as short stories and anecdotes from Jon Anderson himself, talking about Animation and most of its tracks. It's a rare glimpse into Jon's thinking at the time, as well as his thoughts on Animation, and what the album means to him. |
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orangefiltersky
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Posted: October 31 2006 at 06:03 |
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Having read all these posts in this thread I really have to say that some people seem to be really sick in the brain. How can all those people spend so much time just to pour all their hate over members of a band they actually claim to love (in certain eras)? How can you call Collins, Banks, Rutherford old farts (etc.) and then return to, say, Selling England By The Pound. You`ve just insulted these people you listen to! These three musicians play the music you love, even if they made some music afterwards you don`t like. You don`t own these people. If Collins, Banks, Rutherford make a new album then you can like it or not, but it will happen nonetheless. Guys like you really make me throw up.
Now a word about the reunion (which is not yet officially confirmed, which we should not forget): Although I also would have liked to see Steve Hackett being part of the reunion, I have to accept that this is not going to happen in the next time, for whatever reason. I also do not like of Collins solo work after 1992, but I still hope that Genesis could put something out like "A Trick Of The Tail" which to many Genesis fans is the best Genesis album ever. And you know who sang on this record. |
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njb0168
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Posted: November 03 2006 at 11:27 |
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Genesis have posted on their website the following
Genesis Press Conference to be webcast live3rd November 2006 The press conference due to held at 12 noon GMT on Tuesday, 7th November 2006 will be broadcast live via the web. The link to the server streaming the press conference will be posted here, the Official web site, shortly before the press conference is due to begin. For details of the webcast please visit the front page of this site shortly before the press conference starts on Tuesday 7th November. Other information will also be made available on this site at the same time. Link: http://www.genesis-music.com/ 
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